Fwd: language attitudes

Beverly Flanigan flanigan at OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU
Mon Jan 31 23:32:27 UTC 2000

I'm quite aware of the forms you cite and in fact use them all the
time.  It's the do-support + got that I'm not sure of.  Can you name "some
varieties"?  I'm genuinely curious!

At 06:18 PM 1/31/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Let me assure you that the verb form
>I got                   we got
>you got                 y'all got
>he,she,it got(s)        they got
>and, in some varieties, with do support (do you got?) is neither exlusively
>AAVE nor limited to children.
> >Thanks for the clarification.  I've just added a couple more comments:
> >
> >At 10:34 AM 1/31/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >>On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, Beverly Flanigan wrote:
> >>
> >>}Since we're talking about British vs. American English again, I'd like to
> >>}return to the topic of grammar and DO-aux vs. 'got' in BritEng, raised by
> >>}Nancy Elliott and responded to by Aaron Drews.  I asked my graduate
> student
> >>}from London (raised very prescriptively and educated in private schools),
> >>}and here's part of our exchange (snipping out the school names issue,
> which
> >>}was resolved satisfactorily and confirmed by Lorraine).  In a
> nutshell, she
> >>}agrees that DO is used in BritEng (as we've known since Shakespeare)
> but is
> >>}(perhaps) less common than fronted HAVE; but HAVE GOT is also common and
> >>}not pejorative:
> >>}
> >>
> >>"have" + "got" strikes me a a common (widespread, as opposed to lower
> >>class :-) ) usage.
> >>Raised "have" - I seldom hear it here.  Still aceeptable, though
> >>"do" + "got" - This is what would be classified as an Americanism.  I
> >>don't think I've ever heard that here.  Then again, as Beverly Flanigan
> >>points out, it may be American, but it's not "standard" (whatever a
> >>standard is).
> >
> >My point here was simply that I've never heard "do got" in the declarative
> >except as negative, and then only with negative concord (don't got none),
> >as in AAVE.  In the interrogative, it occurs in the tape transcript of
> >little black kids in DC, taped by Bengt Lowman (sp?) in the '60s (and
> >excerpted in _Language Files_); one kid asks, "Do you got a twenty dollar
> >coat?"  Whether this might also be said by adults, I'm not sure.
> >
> >
> >>}>(By the way, I don't like the dig at the 'colonialist'
> >>}>attitudes - slightly too aggressive perhaps?) OK,
> >>
> >>Most of the time, the comments are simply "silly Americans".  I have lost
> >>count how many times I've heard that.  But I have also heard, and have had
> >>directed towards me, very disdaining comments about colonial speech.
> >>Saying I'm a linguist doesn't help (nor does the fact that I'm in the
> >>English Language department).  However, such comments are very rare.
> >
> >Yes, I'm sure you're right; I think my student was just being defensive
> >about her motherland!
> >
> >>}>> >X-Authentication-warning: babel.ling.ed.ac.uk:
> >>}>> aaron owned process doing -bs
> >>
> >>Well, it seems that the server on my end has formed an opinion. :-)
> >>
> >>--Aaron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________________________________________________
> >>Aaron E. Drews                               The University of Edinburgh
> >>aaron at ling.ed.ac.uk                  Departments of English Language and
> >>http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/~aaron       Theoretical & Applied  Linguistics
> >>
> >>         --Death
>Dennis R. Preston
>Department of Linguistics and Languages
>Michigan State University
>East Lansing MI 48824-1027 USA
>preston at pilot.msu.edu
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>Fax: (517)432-2736

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