Dennis R. Preston preston at PILOT.MSU.EDU
Mon Jan 8 13:43:08 UTC 2001

>>Since Arnold has done it (and I didn't see his message first), I
>>will only apologize for not citing Penny Eckert's "Jocks and
>>Burnouts" for the prime academic treatment of this label in its
>>newer sense.

Sorry Penny,


>>This was a big error in recent school-shooting episodes. Old guys
>>like us were misunderstabnding the current use of "jock" (usually
>>pretty academically oriented, well-groomed, soft drug and alcohol
>>using, mainstream kids, only some of whom are involved in sports).
>>The use from my time was sports-involvement exclusivly, although I
>>believe the connection with the semantic change is pretty
>>yOn Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>>>  Certainly not. Us Louisville-area jocks were jocks in the 40's. This
>>>  is the "athlete" sense of jock, not the later preppie (or non "hood"
>>>  sense) sense.
>>I'm not sure what you mean.  The "athlete" sense of jock is the one I was
>>referring to -- what is the "later preppie" sense?
>>Fred Shapiro
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>>Associate Librarian for Public Services     YALE DICTIONARY OF QUOTATIONS
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>Dennis R. Preston
>Department of Linguistics and Languages
>Michigan State University
>East Lansing MI 48824-1027 USA
>preston at pilot.msu.edu
>Office: (517)353-0740
>Fax: (517)432-2736

Dennis R. Preston
Department of Linguistics and Languages
Michigan State University
East Lansing MI 48824-1027 USA
preston at pilot.msu.edu
Office: (517)353-0740
Fax: (517)432-2736

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