More on dishing in line
Dennis R. Preston
preston at PILOT.MSU.EDU
Wed Jun 13 15:27:54 UTC 2001
Is this more emantically transparent that arnold thinks? To ditch =
"to get rid of, to throw away," perhpas more importantly, "to get rid
of or leave behind something undesirable, particulrly, perhaps a
person." (We were driving cross-country with Elmer, but ditcfhed him
Sides, I like to do etymologies this way. Who don't?
>I'm getting the ADS-L digest so I'm not sure how to reply to you all.
>First, to Joan Hall, I am probably the person who emailed you about
>"ditch" in central Ohio a couple weeks ago, so this thread is probably
>not independent confirmation.
>However, I have been doing my homework here. So far I have talked to
>35 people who are Columbus natives or from nearby towns. "DISH" is
>used only by persons 40 or older. "DITCH" is most common among high
>schoolers and up to age 40. So, Arnold, your observation about usage
>in the 70s and 80s is right, but it looks like "DISH" is the older
>term. Finally, the youngest generation, 6-12 year olds now uses
>I'm still trying to figure out the geographic distribution of this
>term, but it doesn't seem to reach much beyond the boundaries of
>Franklin County (i.e., a radius of 20 miles or so).
>Finally, I had checked the OED definition number 7
>("cheat..circumvent") and it struck me as unlikely. But if I can find
>evidence that people went from "Sally DISHED Lydia" to "Sally DISHED
>in line (in front of Lydia)", then that might be the source. One
>speaker offered the folk etymology that dishes nestle together when
>stacked, much as people in a line.
>Thanks for the comments.
>Steve Hartman Keiser
>The Ohio State University
>Department of Linguistics
>222 Oxley Hall
>1712 Neil Avenue
>Columbus, Ohio 43210
>email shkeiser at ling.ohio-state.edu
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:11:20 -0500
>> From: Joan Houston Hall <jdhall at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU>
>> Subject: Re: Dishing in line
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>> We didn't enter it in Volume II, so I guess we didn't have any evidence for
>> it. Recently, though, someone wrote about the use of "ditch" in the same
>> sense. Those slips are in the process of being filed, so I can't tell you
>> right now where the person was from. Sorry. I'll add your info to the file
>> for an eventual update.
>> Joan Hall
Dennis R. Preston
Department of Linguistics and Languages
Michigan State University
East Lansing MI 48824-1027 USA
preston at pilot.msu.edu
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