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Benjamin Fortson fortson at FAS.HARVARD.EDU
Thu Jan 31 14:46:16 UTC 2002

Well, even in "iced donut" you're not *really* "voicing halfway through a
stop", since the main difference between voiced and voiceless stops is
voice onset time, i.e., how long after release of the stop closure you
start vibrating your vocal folds: it's quicker in the case of voiced
stops. Thus what one writes or thinks of as a geminate d is no different
from a geminate t until a few milliseconds after the closure.


On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, James A. Landau wrote:

> Yes, I was mistaken.  I pronounce "iced" as /aist/ not /aisd/ and I suppose
> most people do so.  Second mistake on my part:  English speakers can indeed
> voice halfway through a stop.  Go into your local Plaid (Duncan) Donut shoppe
> and ask for a "vanilla-iced donut" and you will probably say /aistdo/.

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