wendalyn at NYC.RR.COM
Tue Jul 9 19:26:54 UTC 2002
In the nine years I lived in southern England, I only ever heard the vowel
in "grotty" as /a/, and the /t/ was distinctly pronounced. "Grody" with the
"long" vowel was widespread in my Seattle schools in the 1970s, and used
pretty interchangeably with "gross" in the 'disgusting' sense.
At 03:52 PM 7/7/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Excellent point. For civilized Americans (who make the caugh-cot
>distinction) the /a/ of at least many varieties of English English is
>much backer and rounder and could very well be placed at the vowel of
>"caught" rather than "cot."
>For Northern Cities Shifters (you know who you are!) of course this
>makes no difference since "cot" had already marched up to "cat"
>(nearly) and "caught" has dropped down to "cot." What a world we live
>in! Where are Peterson and Barney when we need them?
>>On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Jonathon Green wrote:
>>#I very much doubt that Ringo would have used _grody_ in the 1960s, though
>>#his heavy Liverpudlian accent might well have distorted the double-'t into a
>>#'d'. And despite the NDAS, the 'o' in _grotty_ was/is always short.
>>But rounded in (most?) British dialects, including, if my memory serves,
>>the dialogue in _A Hard Day's Night_. Many Americans might have mapped
>>that onto their own /o/ rather than /a/ for "short o".
>>-- Mark A. Mandel
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