Wendalyn Nichols wendalyn at NYC.RR.COM
Tue Jul 9 19:26:54 UTC 2002

In the nine years I lived in southern England, I only ever heard the vowel
in "grotty" as /a/, and the /t/ was distinctly pronounced. "Grody" with the
"long" vowel was widespread in my Seattle schools in the 1970s, and used
pretty interchangeably with "gross" in the 'disgusting' sense.

Wendalyn Nichols

At 03:52 PM 7/7/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Excellent point. For civilized Americans (who make the caugh-cot
>distinction) the /a/ of at least many varieties of English English is
>much backer and rounder and could very well be placed at the vowel of
>"caught" rather than "cot."
>For Northern Cities Shifters (you know who you are!) of course this
>makes no difference since "cot" had already marched up to "cat"
>(nearly) and "caught" has dropped down to "cot." What a world we live
>in! Where are Peterson and Barney when we need them?
>>On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Jonathon Green wrote:
>>#I very much doubt that Ringo would have used _grody_ in the 1960s, though
>>#his heavy Liverpudlian accent might well have distorted the double-'t into a
>>#'d'. And despite the NDAS, the 'o' in _grotty_ was/is always short.
>>But rounded in (most?) British dialects, including, if my memory serves,
>>the dialogue in _A Hard Day's Night_. Many Americans might have mapped
>>that onto their own /o/ rather than /a/ for "short o".
>>-- Mark A. Mandel

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