Non native speaker?
lesa.dill at WKU.EDU
Fri Oct 25 13:45:35 UTC 2002
Should we blame the inflected rats with all our verb troubles, do you think?
"THOMAS M. PAIKEDAY" wrote:
> I agree with Lesa Dill "it's easy, intentionally or not, to sound garbled,
> illiterate and/or non-native." So what's the use of the native/non-native
> Incidentally, I'd like to know what forensic linguists think of specimens
> (freshman English, of course) such as the following. I did get an expert
> opinion in 1985. But I would like a second opinion if anyone would care to
> comment, even for fun. The basic syntax seems perfect.
> "During the Middle Ages everybody was middle
> aged.... After a revival of infantile commerce slowly creeped into
> Europe, merchants appeared. They roamed from town to town expo-
> sing themselves and organized big fairies in the countryside.... Finally
> Europe caught the Black Death. It was spread from port to port by
> inflected rats.... Theologically, Luther was into reorientation muta-
> tion.... Great Brittian, the USA and other European countrys had
> demicratic leanings. Among the goals of the chartists were universal
> suferage and an anal parliament.... In 1937 Lenin revolted Russia.
> Germany was displaced after WWL... War screeched to an end when a
> nukuleer explosion was dropped on Heroshima. The last stage is us."
> (Britannica 1984 Book of the Year)
> T. M. Paikeday
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lesa Dill" <lesa.dill at WKU.EDU>
> To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Non native speaker?
> > The debate about the identity of the sniper is being debated currently on
> > Forensic Linguistics listserv. There's quite an argument about whether
> > person is native or non-native. I'd have to agree with you and say
> native. I
> > agree with your comments about the phrasing of the statement about our
> > children being in danger. It is stylistically well formed. I also think
> > easy, intentionally or not, to sound garbled, illiterate and/or
> > Isn't the sound subsitution regular in Black English/Ebonics/African
> > English? What's PC in linguistics for that these days? Certainly not the
> > latter.
> > Lesa
> > Duane Campbell wrote:
> > > According to published reports, the notes left by the sniper are in an
> > > imperfect English indicating perhaps a non-native speaker. Yet the one
> > > sentence they have released -- "Your children are not safe at any time
> > > in any place." (from memory) -- strikes me as a very well crafted
> > > sentence. Not just lucid and free from error, but stylish.
> > >
> > > Any forensic linguists on the list? Is there such a thing as a forensic
> > > linguist?
> > >
> > > While I'm asking questions, Chief Moose (who is, incidentally, Dr.
> > > replaces all of his "th" sounds with either a hard "D" (initial) or "F".
> > > I have heard this from time to time, though usually not so pronounced,
> > > including a classmate in 1950s rural Pennsylvania with a 100 percent
> > > white school population. I had always assumed it was a minor speech
> > > impediment (is there a new PC word for this?) or an ideomorph. Are there
> > > dialects that include this shift?
> > >
> > > D
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