Non native speaker?

Lesa Dill lesa.dill at WKU.EDU
Fri Oct 25 13:49:58 UTC 2002

PCness only concerns me when I'm in the classroom.  It seems no matter how I
explain and approach the subject and no matter which term I use, some of my
students become resentful and squirm.  I too prefer BEV.
Do anyone else encounter this defensiveness?


Beverly Flanigan wrote:

> What do you mean by "the latter"?  AAVE is the general usage now, but
> there's nothing wrong with Black English or Ebonics either.  We're not into
> PCness.  Personally, I favor BEV, for obvious reasons.
> At 01:23 PM 10/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >The debate about the identity  of the sniper is being debated currently on the
> >Forensic Linguistics listserv.  There's quite an argument about whether the
> >person is native or non-native.  I'd have to agree with you and say native.  I
> >agree with your comments about the phrasing of the statement about our
> >children being in danger.  It is stylistically well formed.  I also think it's
> >easy, intentionally or not, to sound garbled, illiterate and/or non-native.
> >
> >Isn't the sound subsitution regular in Black English/Ebonics/African American
> >English?  What's PC in linguistics for that these days?  Certainly not the
> >latter.
> >
> >Lesa
> >
> >Duane Campbell wrote:
> >
> > > According to published reports, the notes left by the sniper are in an
> > > imperfect English indicating perhaps a non-native speaker. Yet the one
> > > sentence they have released -- "Your children are not safe at any time or
> > > in any place." (from memory) -- strikes me as a very well crafted
> > > sentence. Not just lucid and free from error, but stylish.
> > >
> > > Any forensic linguists on the list? Is there such a thing as a forensic
> > > linguist?
> > >
> > > While I'm asking questions, Chief Moose (who is, incidentally, Dr. Moose)
> > > replaces all of his "th" sounds with either a hard "D" (initial) or "F".
> > > I have heard this from time to time, though usually not so pronounced,
> > > including a classmate in 1950s rural Pennsylvania with a 100 percent
> > > white school population. I had always assumed it was a minor speech
> > > impediment (is there a new PC word for this?) or an ideomorph. Are there
> > > dialects that include this shift?
> > >
> > > D

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