Catsup etc. (was: Re: Carbonated beverages)

Marc Sacks msacks at WORLD.STD.COM
Sun Sep 15 03:04:20 UTC 2002

In John Cage's "Indeterminacy" he tells a story of using some mushrooms
to make "catsup," which he pronounces that way. The lecture was recorded
some time in the early 1960s and is available on Smithsonian Folkways. I
believe that Cage was a New Yorker.

Marc Sacks
msacks at

Jewls2u wrote:

>My Grandma is from Chicago and always says catsup and Satday.
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>Subject: Re: Catsup etc. (was: Re: Carbonated beverages)
>Peter Mc. writes:
> >  Do Chicagoans actually pronounce it
>>"catsup"?  I grew up seeing it spelled that way on labels, with a few
>>"ketchups" and at least one "katchup," until all the labels I'm aware of
>>today finally seemed to settle on "ketchup"--but the only person I ever
>>heard actually pronounce it (very deliberately) "cat-sup" was my paternal
>>grandmother, who also said "Jap-pan," "port-trait" and "spaghetta" and in
>>general was a font of original spelling pronunciations and
>>hypercorrections.  (FWIW, she was born in California but spent her married
>>life in Iowa.)
>>Does anyone live in an area where "catsup" is actually the local
>>pronunciation today?
>>Peter Mc.
> I don't know if the fact that my father spent a good deal of his youth in
>Chicago  had anything to do with it, but we said "catsup" and "ketchup"
>interchangeably in our  family when I was a kid in Nebraska.  I can't be
>sure I remember accurately what other people there said.

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