Dennis R. Preston
preston at PILOT.MSU.EDU
Wed Sep 25 23:44:35 UTC 2002
>Even if he was Polish, he would be KERtesh (penultimate stress).
>Years ago one of the announcers on a classical music station in a major
>city in the Pacific Northwest used to refer to Istvan Kertesz as *IstVAN
>KerTESH, which irritated me and would probaby infuriate dInIs. I never
>knew if the person thought that Kertesz might be Polish or thought
>that the accent marks on the a and final e in Kertesz indicated stress.
>maberry at u.washington.edu
>On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>> Frenchification (as the unmarked "foreign" pronunciation) is also a
>> good MA thesis (which I have never seen). I'm always amazed to hear
>> Hungarian words (with their stress unfailingly on the first syllable)
>> rendered with a French stress (on the end, of all places!). I have
>> even head classical announcers deliver barTOK and koDALY, made even
>> funnier by their almost correct rendition fo the -daly syllable.
>> At 10:14 AM -0700 9/25/02, Anne Gilbert wrote:
>> > > BTW, no one (at least that I have seen) has mentioned the Taj
>> >or TaZH?
>> > > Fritz Juengling
>> >... As for TaJ or TaZH Mahal, I've heard both.
>> >Anne G
>> It's not so much that we're allowed to anglicize foreign names, which
>> as dInIs points out (re Paris, Vienna, Spain, China, etc., we do all
>> the time), but that we "correct" the standard (English)
>> pronunciations of names like "Beijing" and "Taj" (with the affricates
>> that presumably did a pretty good job of representing the original
>> pronunciation) to the hyper-foreign, Frenchified forms (with the
>> fricatives) in the vain belief that NOW we're really doing a better
>> job of it. I almost always hear and, to be honest say "Taj Mahal"
>> with a fricative, but I'll get around to reforming that once I've
>> mastered the affricate on "Beijing".
>> Dennis R. Preston
>> Professor of Linguistics
>> Department of Linguistics and Languages
>> 740 Wells Hall A
>> Michigan State University
>> East Lansing, MI 48824-1027 USA
>> Office - (517) 353-0740
>> Fax - (517) 432-2736
Dennis R. Preston
Professor of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics and Languages
740 Wells Hall A
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1027 USA
Office - (517) 353-0740
Fax - (517) 432-2736
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