/zh/ replacing /dzh/?

[Dennis R. Preston]

I wonder if further prodding of these students might bring out the
fact that form/shape (elegant vs. inelegant) might also play some
role?

dInIs

>At 7:09 PM -0400 9/25/02, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>>larry,
>>
>>Does this mean I take my beater to the /gradzh/ but the chateau has
>>an attached /garazh/?
>>
>>dInIs
>>
>>This is not entirely with tongue-you-know-where; s I grew up (in
>>Loo at vul), I came to have a meaning for /grisI/ which suggested a fine
>>or delicate oil and reserved /grizI/ for the unmarked sense - You
>>been workin on the car and are all greasy.
>
>Actually, the last time I brought up the VAHZ/VEYS distinction in
>Dialects class, it was during the discussion of an article on
>greasy/greazy (Atwood's classic from 1950) in which the point you
>make was made, although in that case different speakers who have a
>semantic distinction appear to draw it at different places, or should
>I say textures or functions, which appears not to be true for the
>more monotonic variation on the flower-holding object, where the only
>relevant parameter is how expensive it has to be to count as a VEYS.
>
>larry
>
>>>...According to my students, it depends on the value/price.  Over $300
>>>or so, it's a VAHZ.  Otherwise, just a VEYS.  I guess that may be
>>>seen as going along with "affectation".
>>>
>>>larry

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Dennis R. Preston
Professor of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics & Germanic, Slavic,
      Asian & African Languages
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1027
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