/zh/ replacing /dzh/?

[Dennis R. Preston]

In spite of my many years, I have never uttered the string "greasy vase."

dInIs

>At 7:17 AM -0400 9/26/02, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>>I wonder if further prodding of these students might bring out the
>>fact that form/shape (elegant vs. inelegant) might also play some
>>role?
>>
>>dInIs
>
>No doubt; also, if it's greasy, and especially if it's greazy, it's a VEYS.
>
>>
>>>At 7:09 PM -0400 9/25/02, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>>>>larry,
>>>>
>>>>Does this mean I take my beater to the /gradzh/ but the chateau has
>>>>an attached /garazh/?
>>>>
>>>>dInIs
>>>>
>>>>This is not entirely with tongue-you-know-where; s I grew up (in
>>>>Loo at vul), I came to have a meaning for /grisI/ which suggested a fine
>>>>or delicate oil and reserved /grizI/ for the unmarked sense - You
>>>>been workin on the car and are all greasy.
>>>
>>>Actually, the last time I brought up the VAHZ/VEYS distinction in
>>>Dialects class, it was during the discussion of an article on
>>>greasy/greazy (Atwood's classic from 1950) in which the point you
>>>make was made, although in that case different speakers who have a
>>>semantic distinction appear to draw it at different places, or should
>>>I say textures or functions, which appears not to be true for the
>>>more monotonic variation on the flower-holding object, where the only
>>>relevant parameter is how expensive it has to be to count as a VEYS.
>>>
>>>larry
>>>
>>>>>...According to my students, it depends on the value/price.  Over $300
>>>>>or so, it's a VAHZ.  Otherwise, just a VEYS.  I guess that may be
>>>>>seen as going along with "affectation".
>>>>>
>>>>>larry
>>
>>--
>>Dennis R. Preston
>>Professor of Linguistics
>>Department of Linguistics & Germanic, Slavic,
>>      Asian & African Languages
>>Michigan State University
>>East Lansing, MI 48824-1027
>>e-mail: preston at msu.edu
>>phone: (517) 353-9290

--
Dennis R. Preston
Professor of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics & Germanic, Slavic,
      Asian & African Languages
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1027
e-mail: preston at msu.edu
phone: (517) 353-9290