More on Wolof "hip"
laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Thu Dec 9 20:11:11 UTC 2004
At 12:19 PM -0500 12/9/04, Baker, John wrote:
> Excellent article, Jesse. I took a look at the Slate reader
>comments, which on Slate are called the Fray. While most of them
>have little of value to contribute, I thought that two of them, from
>speakers of Wolof, were particularly useful, and I reproduce them
>below. The first one has some particularly useful information about
>Wolof, and the second, while not as insightful, has some interesting
>speculations concerning other possible derivations. Jesse has
>already responded to the point about Wolof orthography, but these
>posters have further information concerning actual Wolof
>Subject: Crying Wolof
>Date: Dec 9 2004 3:53AM
>This Wolof speaker would like to correct something in Jesse
>Sheidlower's article. I'm not contesting the central point of the
>article and I agree that the Wolof origins of hip are more than
>But Sheidlower wrote "the word in question is actually spelled
>Xippi", which doesn't make much sense. Wolof is essentially an oral
>language. It has started being written in the 20th century, but
>whatever spelling you see is just a transliteration. The "X" in
>Xippi is pronounced like a Spanish Jota, as in Juan. The word can
>also be spelled "hippi" and "khippi", with the same pronunciation.
>You really cannot draw conclusions from the transliteration of an
>oral language, which can vary a lot according to the country.
>Example : Wolof is mostly spoken in Senegal and Gambia, respectively
>a former French colony and a former British colony. Because several
>letters, for example "j", "i" and "e", are pronounced differently in
>French and English, most common Wolof surname are spelled very
>differently in the two countries, despite the fact that they are
>pronounced exactly the same way : Diop in Senegal = Joop in Gambia,
>N'Diaye in Senegal = N'Jie in Gambia, Diouf in Senegal = Joof in Ga!
The comments above are reasonable, as we've been discussing--the
question for a pro-Wolovian is whether the evidence is being skewed
by citing /xip(pi)/ in the "hip-" form. The main problem, as Jesse's
piece makes clear, is the lack of direct evidence for the
transmission. As for the comments below, this really does illustrate
the danger of crying Wolof--the plausible babies (maybe "dig"?) are
thrown out with the obfuscatory bathwater. It would help DannyBoy's
case if he picked up a dictionary with decent e(n)tymologies, where
he would learn that inter alia "OK" is from "oll korrect" (and not
from Old Kinderhook, Choctaw, *or* Wolof), that "fetch" is from Old
English, which didn't have much of a Wolof substrate, that "goober"
is indeed Out of Africa, but from Bantu ngubi (in fact if he checked
the AHD4 entry for "goober" he'd find a few more English words that
can be plausibly derived from African sources) rather than Wolof
"ger-teh" (?), that "toke" is more likely from Span. toccare, etc.
>Subject: re:Sheidlower/ Crying Wolof/origin of hip
>Date: Dec 8 2004 2:48PM
>I have some authority on this subject: I spent two years in Senegal
>(Peace Corps), spoke reasonably good Wolof and kept my own glossary
>of words which I later hand-copied as a dictionary since there were
>so few English-Wolof glossaries available. Furthermore, I wrote a
>newspaper column some years ago (Tampa Tribune) opining a number of
>these connections, all from my own observations. To wit:
>1) I never heard the word "hipi" over there. But I heard what may be
>a regional variant, "Hebu", meaning "one who is aware." Sheidlower
>makes no notice of the fact that Senegal was where countless slaves
>from the entire West African coast were transshipped, from coastal
>slavers to oceangoing ones, at the Island of Goree in Dakar's
>harbor. I am unclear how many Wolofs were among those taken, but
>between Africans dealing with the slave trade, or those taken slaves
>and brought here, there were significant chances for contact. By the
>way, while the letter "h" isn't used in Wolof, the sound exists, and
>it is represented sometimes in modern Wolof orthography - which no
>one over there actually uses; people either write Wolof using Arabic
>characters, or learn French in school using Roman ones, or are
>illiterate in Wolof - by the letter "x". It may be closer to a
>guttural "ch" than to a nice breathy "h", but close enough for the
>sounds to have crossed over.
>2) The word for "dance" in Wolof is "fecc", pronounced "fetch."
>3) The word for "to smoke" in Wolof is "tokh," pronounced as it
>looks with a guttural ch at the end. "Toke" maybe?
>4) I never bought the translation others touted between the Wolof
>word for "peanuts" - "gerte", pronounced "ger-teh" - and "goobers,"
>so I appreciate the stretches those looking for connections will
>sometimes make. But there are others which are better.
>5) I may have been one of the first proponents of the connections
>between an enthusiastic Wolof affirmative - "waaw-kay" and our
>favorite American slangism, "OK." But the sense is very close. In
>Wolof, "yes" is "waaw", pronounced "wow." You say "waaw-kay" when
>you're being particularly emphatic about it. Sort of an Austin
>Powers "yeah, BABY!" "I brought home dinner." "Waaw-KAY!" I always
>thought the "Old Kinderhook" explanation relating it to Martin Van
>Buren's campaign slogan was weak; the entymology relating it to
>Cherokee "okeh" may have been stronger. But I think mine is at least
>6) "Dig" is so obviously from Wolof that I don't think any debate
>can exist about it. Its sense is dead-on. Wolof "degg", which is
>pronounced "dig", means both "to hear" and more deeply "to
>understand," which is exactly what the slang "dig" means. You don't
>bother digging that the TV is on in the next room. You dig what
>someone is telling you.
>7) "Bopp" in Wolof means "head," and among the senses of "bopping"
>in English is that moving of the head when you're not quite dancing
>but moving your head to the music. I don't know "bop"'s etymology
>back past the origin of bebop jazz, and I don't know where that
>phrase came from, or if "bop" precedes it.
>8)This isn't exactly an etymology, but it is quite possible that the
>generic stereotypic African-savage phrase "ooga booga" comes from
>Wolof. A common phrase in the language is "nge bugge" - pronounced
>"oonga booga" - which means "you want" or "do you want." Something
>said multiple times daily and probably heard by any foreign visitor.
>I had one or two others but can't lay hands on my column. The main
>ones are above. Anyone else who knows anything about Wolof out there?
>From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]On Behalf
>Of Jesse Sheidlower
>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:23 PM
>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: More on Wolof "hip"
>ADS-L'ers who are a fan of the Wolof "hip" story might be
>interested in my article on the subject in Slate:
>They let me namecheck Larry for the headline, thank goodness,
>though they insisted on using the word "coined".
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