Wilson Gray hwgray at EARTHLINK.NET
Thu Jul 22 22:40:06 UTC 2004

On Jul 22, 2004, at 4:48 PM, James A. Landau wrote:

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> Subject:      Re: farty
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> In a message dated > Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:53:19 -0400
>> "Dennis R. Preston" <preston at MSU.EDU> writes:
>> Close but no cigar. Yes, forty (with open o) falls together with
>> farty (with short o), but four (with long o) is actually preserved in
>> St Louis, as it is in my dialect (Louisville) ,one of the few which
>> keeps the hoarse-horse distinction. (Alas, used to keep the
>> hoarse-horse distinction, I should say.)
> I am from Louisville and I have no recollection of any hoarse-horse
> distinction.  In fact, I can't imagine how whichever one does not
> rhyme with "course"
> would sound.

In Saint Louis, you probably wouldn't notice anything strange about
"hoarse," but "horse" would probably strike you as sounding a lot like

-Wilson Gray

> "My mother's throat was red, but the doctor said that I had a hoarse
> of a
> different color" is a joke I heard in high school.  ("Horse of a
> different color"
> appears in the 1939 movie "Wizard of Oz".)
>           - James A. Landau

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