Upstate/downstate

[Alice Faber]

Laurence Horn said:
>At 1:46 PM -0500 3/3/04, Alice Faber wrote:
>>Duane Campbell said:
>>>With New Paltz in the news, New York based broadcasters keep referring to
>>>this "upstate town." Having lived for several years in New York's
>>>Southerntier -- which is north of "upstate" -- I can tell you with
>>>conviction that New Paltz is downstate.
>>
>>And I can tell you with equal conviction that New Paltz is most
>>definitely upstate. Of course, I grew up in Westchester County. But
>>my parents lived in Columbia County for 30 years, which, even if it's
>>south of Albany, is still upstate to me.
>>
>And for some native New Yorkers [= native-NYCers], Yonkers is
>upstate.  I don't think it works like Chicagoans w.r.t. Rockford,
>though--Long Island is never "upstate", it's just the tertium datur:
>the City, Upstate, the Island.  Then there's the finer-grained
>definition, whereby the City = Manhattan, leaving the outer boroughs
>unclassified.

Is there a noun for where the "Bridge and Tunnel people" live? For
me, that phrase refers to the denizens of the outer boroughs, and,
possibly, also Hoboken.

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