duke and dook

[Laurence Horn]

>Yes, only the onset is so high, so most NYC-area open oh vowels have
>an inglide just as you suggest. They do begin quite high, however,
>some even as high as 'coot.'
>
>dInIs

OK, d'accord.  I know the shibboleth for the NYCization of open o is
"coffee", similiarly pronounced with a diphthong that starts life at
[u], but there again, given the inglide, it clearly doesn't rhyme
with "goofy".

L

>
>>At 10:20 AM -0400 9/23/04, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>>>He (Dick Vitale) is most definitely not a Detroiter (not on
>>>linguistic evidence at any rate). His open oh raising (so that
>>>'caught' sounds like 'coat' or even 'coot') is much more typical of
>>>NYC-area speech.
>>
>>"Caught" like "coat" or "coot"?  I'm not sure I follow this.  My
>>"caught" is very different from my "cot", but it doesn't approach my
>>"coat" or "coot".  I suppose it might approach others' "coat" or
>>"coot", but I still don't quite get the phonetics here.  Maybe it's a
>>diphthong that begins in the same place "coot" does and then breaks
>>to a schwa, or something like that?