The Last "Mohican"?

Wilson Gray wilson.gray at RCN.COM
Wed Aug 10 19:07:19 UTC 2005

I'm glad that he dumped that loser and I hope that he passes on the
distinction to his progeny.

Was the ex-GF a New Yorker, by chance? I was chatting with a black New
Yorker who interrupted me with a burst of laughter, saying, "You say
'ahtomatic.' I say 'awtomatic'!" and really pissing me off. As though a
native Noo-Yawkuh can speak English!


On Aug 10, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Peter A. McGraw wrote:

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> Subject:      Re: The Last "Mohican"?
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> No.  Quite a few years ago I started what turned out to be a long but
> inconclusive thread on this list with a query about my son's
> then-girlfriend having laughed at him when he said [straip at d].  The
> fact
> that someone of his age (early 30s) was using it seemed to indicate
> that it
> wasn't necessarily a generational thing.  But maybe HE is the "last
> Mohican."
> Peter McGraw
> --On Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:44 PM -0700 Jonathan Lighter
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>> Yes.
>> JL
>> Wilson Gray <wilson.gray at RCN.COM> wrote:
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>> Am I the last person to maintain the distinction between "perfect
>> passive participles" and adjectives derived therefrom? For example,
>> I've heard tigers, zebras, crosswalks, and streets with painted
>> lane-separations, etc., etc. all described as [straipt]. I make the
>> following distinction: if an object has had stripes added to it, then
>> it's [straipt]; if an object naturally has stripes, either of genetic
>> origin or added as part of the manufacturing process, then it's
>> [straipId]. Hence, roadways that have had crosswalks lane-separations,
>> bike lanes, or other such-like stripings added to them are [straipt].
>> But zebras, tigers, the shirts of athletic officials, etc. are
>> [straipId].
>> I also distinguish between "loved [l^vd] by" and "beloved [bIl^vId]
>> of"
>> and a few others, like "alleged."
>> -Wilson
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