Pompey, nickname for Portsmouth

[Wilson Gray]

Well, Jon, maybe you had to have been there. Sigh!

-Willson

On 12/18/06, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> FWIW, I recall reading, probably in the late '70s, that slaves were sometimes named for Classical figures "as a joke."
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>   My perverse take on this idea is that it's a recent inference. Are there really surviving letters and diaries from slaveholders saying, "We named her Cleopatra for laughs. Heehee!" ?  One is skeptical.
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>   Having hurled myself backward in time, I'm back with the alternative [n.b.] suggestion that the Neoclassical pop culture of the country's slaveowners might have led in exactly the opposite direction: a Classical name might, in a mystical, prescientific way, encourage a slave to be more civilized, more intelligent, more like Plautus, Terence, and Epictetus, among others, who once were Roman slaves.  (Though I'm not aware of any slaves actually named P, T, or E. )
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>   Aside from that, the practice might also have enhanced the feeling, undoubtedly satisfying to massa, that he was just like a Roman patrician in his porticoed manse, complete with slaves bearing Classical names. A groaningly stupid idea, perhaps, but not quite a "joke" and exactly the sort of thing some people would do - at least some people today, if they had slaves.
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>   JL
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> Margaret Lee <mlee303 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
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> I know an African American male, 50-ish, whose first name is Pompey. Cuffee/Cuffy/Kofi is a West African male day name for Friday.
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> Margaret
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> Wilson Gray wrote:
> FWIW, I read somewhere or other about 45 years ago, that, once the
> external slave trade was ended and no new slaves with their own names
> were coming in, it became the fashion to give slaves names extracted
> from the classics as a joke. Before then, according to this source, a
> slave whose name was unknown to the speaker would be addressed or
> referred to as "Cuffie," "Coffee," "Cuffey," "a cuffey," etc., it
> being the case that the first shiploads of slaves came from someplace
> where "Kofi" (somehow, that name rings a bell) was a very common
> masculine name, to the extent that it became the default name and
> noun, used in reference to any random slave, especially one just off
> the boat.
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> Further FWIW, I went to grade school with the twins, Richard and
> Raymond Cuffey, and their sister, Jacqueline.
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> Way OT: I've read that white educationists consider it a bad thing to
> allow twins of any kind to share a classroom. That's not true, is it?
> Can it really be the case that there's a theory that makes that claim?
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> -Wilson
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> On 12/11/06, George Thompson wrote:
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> > > Pompey may have been a common slave name in the US.
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> > In NY, at least, it seems to have been a fashion to give one's slaves
> > a name from classical literature or history. Presumably these names
> > also might become family tradition, and given to children of free
> > parents, on occasion.
> >
> > *** The busy note of preparation had been heard for a week. The suds
> > began drizzling from here and there a window -- the face of the buxom
> > housewife began to grow long and sour -- the sweeps croaked their
> > inharmonious and deafening notes with unusual gusto -- and unless one
> > kept a good look-out ahead, the Pompeys and Phillises at the turn of
> > every corner would give him an opportunity to sweep his kerseymeres
> > against the ponderous brush, or stumble over a bucket of white-wash!
> > ***
> > Commercial Advertiser, May 3, 1825, p. 2, col. 3
> >
> > THE MISERIES OF MAY DAY. [a long dialog between a sensible
> > and long suffering husband and a fashion driven wife, who has insisted
> > on moving; Philis, Chloe, Sambo, Caesar, Mark Antony are named as
> > temporary help and whitewashers]
> > Commercial Advertiser, May 2, 1827, p. 2, cols. 1 2
> >
> > [a card signed Pompey, Caesar, Cato, & Co., in mock AAVE,
> > rejecting bobilition]
> > Evening Star, August 27, 1835, p. 2, col. 4
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> > GAT
> >
> > George A. Thompson
> > Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
> > Univ. Pr., 1998, but nothing much lately.
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