Vals Kilmer (like "attorneys general"?)
Jim Parish
jparish at SIUE.EDU
Tue Mar 28 16:07:53 UTC 2006
Wilson Gray wrote:
> >From USCG.gov:
>
> "We trace our roots back to 1790, when _Treasury_ Secretary Alexander
> Hamilton created the Revenue Marine by commissioning ten cutters to enforce
> our new nation's laws on the water. In the 213 years since, we've merged
> with other government agencies =96 such as the Lifesaving Service, the
> Lighthouse Service, and the Steamboat Inspection Service =96 to become toda=
> y's
> Coast Guard."
You and Dave are both right, to a certain extent: the Coast Guard
began under the Treasury, was transferred to Transportation when that
department was established in the '60s, and then moved to Homeland
Security.
Jim Parish
> On 3/28/06, Dave Wilton <dave at wilton.net> wrote:
> >
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> > Poster: Dave Wilton <dave at WILTON.NET>
> > Subject: Re: Vals Kilmer (like "attorneys general"?)
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> >
> > Actually, the Coast Guard used to be under the Dept. of Transportation,
> > not
> > Treasury. And the NHSC is not a uniformed service. The uniformed service
> > is
> > the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. The NHSC is something else
> > entirely. If you go to the PHS web site, you will see uniforms a plenty
> > (http://www.usphs.gov/). The PHS is part of the Dept. of Health and Human
> > Services.
> >
> > The other uniformed service is the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
> > Administration (NOAA) Commissioned Corps, which is in the Commerce
> > Department. Like the Public Health Service, they have naval rank and
> > uniforms.
> >
> > The government makes a distinction between the "uniformed services" and
> > the
> > "armed services." There are seven "uniformed services," two of which, the
> > PHS and NOAA are not "armed services." The "armed services" are, of
> > course,
> > the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. The first four
> > are
> > in the Defense Department and the Coast Guard is in Homeland Security,
> > although in time of war it can also operate under the control of the
> > Defense
> > Department.
> >
> > --Dave Wilton
> > dave at wilton.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf
> > Of
> > James Smith
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:31 AM
> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Vals Kilmer (like "attorneys general"?)
> >
> > Not all uniformed branches of the federal government
> > are in the Dept of Defense. The Coast Guard was under
> > the Dept of Treasury until the recent reassignemt to
> > Dept of Homeland Security. Likewise, the Nation
> > Health Service Corp is a uniformed branch of the
> > government, and the head of NHSC is a general, the
> > Surgeon General (this is an anomaly as other ranks in
> > the NHSC follow the pattern of navy rather than army
> > grades, and the uniforms are patterned on naval
> > uniforms). However, the NHSC doesn't make a big deal
> > of it's military-like organization; if you go the NHSC
> > web site (http://nhsc.bhpr.hrsa.gov/), you'll be hard
> > pressed to find any mention of the military-like
> > aspects of the organization.
> >
> >
> > --- Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > > The Surgeon General is always addressed as General.
> > >
> > > At 01:34 PM 3/27/2006, you wrote:
> > > >I think the question was about how attorneys
> > > general are addressed. When
> > > >Alberto Gonzales appears before congress, is he
> > > addressed as General
> > > >Gonzales? I think this happens at least sometimes.
> > > >
> > > >-Matt Gordon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On 3/27/06 11:43 AM, "Dennis R. Preston"
> > > <preston at MSU.EDU> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I guess I don't understand. If he is the
> > > attorney for general
> > > > > matters, then he is a "general attorney," just
> > > like a court martial
> > > > > is court (N) plus martial (adj) a "military
> > > court."
> > > > >
> > > > > dInIs
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >> I've no beef with adjectives following nouns, a
> > > la francais. This still
> > > > >> doesn't explain why we address this (general
> > > interest) attorney as
> > > > >> "General" if it isn't meant as a rank.....?
> > > > >> AM
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
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