English in USA

Mon Nov 20 21:56:19 UTC 2006

I'll take your word for it as far as SE Jersey is concerned, and for that matter, maybe other Midland areas like the Pine Barrens.  I've been there a few times, but noticed more the Phillyesque /u/- and /o/-fronting , [O] in on, and other widely distributed features than this sort of raising.  It sounds plausible, for that area.  Any BARN/BORN merger down there?  They seemed pretty close to me--much closer than in my area.

Paul Johnston

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From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:11 am
Subject: Re: English in USA

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> Thanks Paul,
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> I hate to be a doubteeng thomas.  You may be right, but I don't
> theenk so.
> Or as they say down south "You may be rot, but ah don't thank so."
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> I lived near Atlantic City NJ for many years.  Worked as a research
> psychologist some years.  Witnessed some interesting research on the
> analysis of speech as a workload indicator in ATC.  Didn't work.
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> ~Taam
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> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
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> >From: "Paul A Johnston, Jr." <paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU>
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> >No way in NJ--which part are you speaking about?  I'm from Morris
> County>and it's /I/ before eng consistently.  Same throughout the
> Northeastern or
> >North Central part of the state.  The South is a "Midland" area,
> but that
> >sort of raising doesn't sound right to me.  I don't know about
> places like
> >Phillipsburg or Hunterdon County, where you begin to shade into an
> >Allentown-Bethlehem kind of system.
> >
> >Paul Johnston
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> >From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Date: Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:02 pm
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> > > I've lived in NJ for many years.  It's ~eeng and ~eenk there as
> > > well as all
> > > over.  The thing is the "ing" is the site spelling of ~eeng, so
> > > folks write
> > > ingland for England.
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> > > Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
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> > > >From: Douglas Dee <AmateurLinguist at AOL.COM>
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> > > >Here in New Jersey, I definitely hear the "short i" in the first
> > > syllable>of
> > > >"English."
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> > > >I seem to recall a similar issue came up on Lingust List a while
> > > back.>
> > > >Paraphrasing liberally from my imperfect memory:
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> > > >A teacher wrote in to say, "Here's an odd thing, my students have
> > > 'short i'
> > > >instead of 'ee' in 'English.'  Is this some regional dialect
> > > feature or
> > > >what?"
> > > >
> > > >A whole bunch of people replied, saying, "No, YOU'RE the one
> with the
> > > >regional dialect feature.  Your students' 'short i' is the
> > > >normal/general/typical
> > > >pronunciation in the US."
> > > >
> > > >Doug
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