Dawgs

Thu Oct 26 02:56:11 UTC 2006

I'm familiar with some Appalachian dialect, having gone to school at E Tenn.
State.  I've heard dog with the "ou" diphthong as in "out".  Say "doubt" and
replace "bt" with "g".

Tom Z.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.

>From: Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU>
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>Subject: Re: Dawgs
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:32:07 -0400
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>I don't see an icon.  But in any case, these two are, as you say, the
>ah/awe variants (the /a ~ O/ forms, as we say in approximate IPA).  The
>third variant is the one we've been talking about--the presumed
>Appalachian/South Midland/"hillbilly" form (if that helps), where you have
>a low or back vowel (it's variable, I agree) gliding upwards and backwards
>to form a kind of diphthong.  If you've never heard this, you won't know
>what we're talking about.  But remember--dictionaries only REPORT what the
>compilers are familiar with; they don't LEGISLATE!       We linguists try
>to describe what we really hear, not what we think we ought to hear (or
>say, or teach).
>
>At 06:24 PM 10/25/2006, you wrote:
> >m-w.com gives two pronunciations of "dog".  Click icon to hear it.
> >
> >Main Entry: 1dog
> >Pronunciation: 'dog, 'däg
> >
> >Again, the awe/ah duplicity. Looks like "awe" is primary.
> >
> >Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
> >See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.
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> >>From: Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU>
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> >>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:24:18 -0400
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> >>Yes, that's BE, but it's not Appalachian/Inland Southern--for example,
> >>rural Georgia.  I suggested [daUg] to capture the offglide Matt
>mentioned,
> >>but it's not fully accurate either.  We have it in Athens County/SE Ohio
> >>too, and it's definitely not [dOUg].
> >>
> >>Beverly
> >>
> >>At 11:30 PM 10/24/2006, you wrote:
> >> >I vote for Paul's 'the U-glide--like [dOUg]," which strikes me as aa
> >> >decent representation of the BE pronunciation. Cf., e.g. the original
> >> >"you Ain't Nothin' But A Houn'-Dog," by "Big Mama" Willa Mae Thornton
> >> >or "No More Doggin'," by Rosco Gordon.
> >> >
> >> >-Wilson
> >> >
> >> >On 10/24/06, Paul Johnston <paul.johnston at wmich.edu> wrote:
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> >> >>The schwa glide?  Or the U-glide--like [dOUg] ?  I know that's an old
> >> >>Southern form.
> >> >>
> >> >>Paul Johnston
> >> >>On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Matthew Gordon wrote:
> >> >>
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> >> >> > Poster:       Matthew Gordon <gordonmj at MISSOURI.EDU>
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> >> >> > I thought the "dawg" spelling was meant to represent not just the
> >> >> > open-o
> >> >> > pronunciation but the more specifically southern diphthongal form
> >> >> > with the
> >> >> > schwa glide.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 10/24/06 3:34 PM, "Charles Doyle" <cdoyle at UGA.EDU> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I went to a football game this past weekend, the University of
> >> >> >> Georgia vs.
> >> >> >> Mississippi State.  Each university has for its totem the
> >> >> >> bulldog.  Each
> >> >> >> university features its team as the "Dawgs"; the University of
> >> >> >> Georgia (at
> >> >> >> least) has been doing so for many years.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It wasn't much of a game, so I had time to wonder about that
> >> >> >> spelling in a
> >> >> >> region where "dawg" represents what has been the traditional
> >> >> >> pronunciation
> >> >> >> anyway--with that "open o" that dialects of many regions are
> >> >> >> losing apace.
> >> >> >> Among (old-fashioned) "Southern" speakers, the "dog"/"dawg"
> >> >> >> distinction would
> >> >> >> be simply orthographic (like "come"/"cum"). But what about the
> >> >> >> semantics?  Is
> >> >> >> it (or was it when it originated) merely a playful bit of self-
> >> >> >> conscious
> >> >> >> eye-dialect?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Or, is the spelling something like a Confederate battle flag to
>be
> >> >> >> waved into
> >> >> >> the face of non-Southerners?  Or perhaps it simply suggests
> >> >> >> "tradition" for
> >> >> >> fans of the University of Georgia (I don't know about MSU), whose
> >> >> >> campus is
> >> >> >> now prevalently populated by first- and second-generation /dag/-
> >> >> >> speaking
> >> >> >> Northern immigrants?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is it because we lost that war 140 years ago that Southerners
>have
> >> >> >> been so
> >> >> >> absorbed, obsessed with issues of our regional identity?  A mom-
> >> >> >> and-pop
> >> >> >> restaurant in a small Georgia town will advertise its "Southern
> >> >> >> cooking," as
> >> >> >> if that weren't the default . . . .
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Oh, yes, the Dawgs won the game.  Barely.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --Charlie
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