antedating?: "top dollar" (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at YAHOO.COM
Mon Apr 23 19:01:16 UTC 2007


Outstanding, Bill.

  JL

"Mullins, Bill AMRDEC" <Bill.Mullins at US.ARMY.MIL> wrote:
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Better to light a candle than curse google books . . .

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> > On 4/23/07, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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> > > OED has 1970, but Google Books cites an issue of
> _Trucking Business_
> > > from no later than 1964:
> > >
> > > "With all that work you put in... Why aren't you drawing
> top dollar?"
> > >
> > > Google Books asserts that the latest issue they scanned
> is from that year.
> >
> > Why would we believe anything Google Books asserts at this point?
> > Searching on years in that volume of _Trucking Business_ finds
> > references in nearby pages to a company's 1967 earnings and to
> > industry projections for 1968. So 1967 seems a more likely bet.
>
> Assuming that Google is actually searching in the same issue
> when you use "search in this book", the issue might be March 1968:
> http://tinyurl.com/yprsp2.
> But I'm not at all convinced that this is a reasonable
> assumption, since I was also able to find a header for Feb.
> 1968 by searching around in the same issue.
>
> There is another hit in Trucking Business for "top dollar",
> which is given as "... tri times were cut by as much as 10
> per cen Across-the-board benefits to the drive the fleet
> operator and his customer. Top-dollar ..." on the results
> page. The snippet shown, however, does not include any
> relevant text. (What on earth are they thinking?) That issue
> may be from 1967, but I've gotten headers for both January
> and April of that year, so make of that what you will.
>
> Jeff Prucher
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