" Olive, the other reindeer"

Dennis Preston preston at MSU.EDU
Fri Aug 3 18:50:39 UTC 2007


arnold,

My dubitation was about Charlie's (sef-report) of NEVER saying [j@];
I'm still very dubititious. (In your beFore and AFter examples, I
don't think I;'d do a [@].)

dInIs



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>On Aug 3, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Dennis Preston wrote:
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>>  Betcha don't.
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>>>  I do [ju] for "you," stressed and unstressed!
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>if charlie's claiming he *always* says [ju], dInIs's dubiety seems
>justified.  but if dInIs is claiming charlie *never* says [ju]
>(always [j@] instead), i'm dubious indeed.  there are plenty of (non-
>contrastive) contexts where [ju] is normal (though [j@] is possible):
>
>    Satisfied with yourself, aren't you?
>    I left beFORE you, not AFter you.
>    You dirty dog!
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>    etc.
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>arnold
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Dennis R. Preston
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Department of English
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