Chimney (and "nation" and "community")

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Wed Jan 24 19:52:26 UTC 2007

WRT the BE course, I certainly agree with you, Charlie. The first time
that I heard black people from Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia
speak, their BE sounded so weird that I nearly couldn't understand
them, especially the Philadelphians. After I'd lived in Saint Louiis
for a while, the speech of my East-Texas relatives began to sound so
country that I had problems keeping a straight face. After I moved to
Los Angeles, I found that, though I had no problem understanding the
local BE, its speakers had problems with my Saint Louis dialect. E.g.,
the locals heard my "fade," a white person, and "shade," a black
person, as "fabe" and "shabe." Very strange. And, of course, there was
that Saint Louis horse = [hars] / hoarse = [hors] thing that they had
to deal with.


On 1/24/07, Charles Doyle <cdoyle at> wrote:
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> Doug's phrasing--"the real-estate selling community, such as it is"--made me think:
> Somewhat analogous to the use of "nation" in its expanded sense (though without the frequent--and saving--lightheartedness) is the rampant current use of "community."  I wonder what kinds or degrees of commonality qualify a number of persons to be called a community?
> A few years ago in the English department to which I belong, the old "Black English" course was being revised. The individual who would be teaching the reformed course proposed naming it "English in the African American Community." I opined that "English in African American Communities" (or, more concisely, "African American English") would make more sense--that residents of Jamaica, Toronto, New Orleans, Harlem, Watts, Sapelo Island, and rural Alabama hardly constitute a single community. (As is usual in such debates, I lost!) I suppose calling an assortment of persons a community makes things seem sociable and harmonious . . . .
> --Charlie
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> >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:32:35 -0500
> >From: Doug Harris <cats22 at FRONTIERNET.NET>
> >Subject: Re: Chimney
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> > . . . Members of the National Association of Realtors call themselves Realtors. Many people commonly misuse that term (to the occasional displeasure of NAR members) to refer to any member of the real estate-selling community, such as it is . . . .
> >--doug
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