"rave" in Variety or earlier? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Tue Jul 10 03:58:12 UTC 2007


Odd. It seems like only yesterday.

-Wilson

On 7/9/07, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> That song was thirty-six years ago.
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>   This is now.
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>   JL
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> Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> Here's my theory. Women are brought up to say no. So, with a cave-man
> type, a woman can safely say no with the knowledge that the caveman
> probably won't stop. So, it's not her fault. I developed this theory
> when a girl said to me, after I'd inexperiencedly taken no for an
> answer: "Wilson, you're really supposed to TRY!!" However, that was
> back in the '50's. Nowadays, a woman can just say yes, so that taking
> no for an answer doesn't leave a guy revealed as an unhip lame who
> doesn''t know what he's doing. As Carly Simon put it, "*These* are the
> 'good old days!'"
>
> -Wilson
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> On 7/9/07, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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> > In college, guys got the most dates if they looked like Heidelberg Man.
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> > (The caveman, not the university chancellor.)
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> > JL
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> > Jesse Sheidlower wrote:
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> > On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 02:57:41PM -0500, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC wrote:
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> > > While searching for pre-1926 uses of "rave", I ran across the following.
> > > It's not relevant to your question, but does bear repeating.
> > >
> > >
> > > July 1 1921 _Variety_ p. 17. col 2.
> > > "Her "cute" stuff, with impressions of a soubret, "Rough Neck Tillie,"
> > > who craved cave-man love, and a French maid bit composed the first
> > > portion of the routine."
> > >
> > > Is "cave-man love" cited in OED?
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> > No, but several of the examples under _cave-man_ make clear
> > that such a person was a typical object of romantic interest
> > from women.
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> > Jesse Sheidlower
> > OED
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