For "quarter" is it ~kworter or ~korter.

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at YAHOO.COM
Tue Jul 17 11:57:54 UTC 2007

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Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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Subject: For "quarter" is it ~kworter or ~korter.

Do most USA folks put a "w" in the word "quarter"?

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>From: sagehen
>Reply-To: American Dialect Society
>Subject: Re: "until" vs "before" or "to"
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:46:11 -0400
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>Poster: sagehen
>Subject: Re: "until" vs "before" or "to"
> >Did the announcer say "until" or "till"? "Till" is more common, and the
> >standard term in the Midland (and South, I believe). It goes way back,
> >noted in early travel journals as of Scotch-Irish origin. Dictionaries
> >cite it as a separate lexical item, if I'm not mistaken, more related to
> >"to" than to "until." (I don't have my sources here at home, but I've
> >cited this in my Encyclopedia of Appalachia entry of 2006, and Michael
> >Montgomery has discussed it long before that.) As a common daily usage,
> >goes deep: I always tell my students that I, a Northerner born and bred,
> >will always say "quarter to," but my Indiana/Ohio son will forever say
> >"quarter till." The third option is usually "quarter of"; I've never
> >"quarter before" (or 15 minutes before). This seems to me simply
> >dialectal, not semantic. I forget where you live, Sage Hen?
> >
> >Beverly Flanigan
> >Ohio University
> >
> >At 08:02 PM 7/16/2007, you wrote:
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> >>Poster: sagehen
> >>Subject: "until" vs "before" or "to"
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> >>(a) It is now 25 minutes until 6.
> >>(b) It is now 25 minutes before 6.
> >>(c) It is now 25 minutes to 6.
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> >>What's the difference?
> >>
> >> (a) feels wrong to me, unless sthg important is going to happen at 6.
> >>
> >> (b) & (c) as simple announcements of the time seem right.
> >>
> >>Is this just me, or do others have the same sense? I would probably
> >>have thought of this if one of our local radio announcers didn't use
> >>"until" form regularly, catching my attention. Most of them say
> >>AM
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>This particular announcer definitely says "until." The station is in
>Canton NY, but its personnel come from all over the country.
>I myself would be more likely to say "25 of 6" or "quarter of" than "
>till" or "to" or "before." I grew up in Lincoln NE.
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>W stands for >:< War ____Waste___Wiretaps____Witchhunts >:<
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