"I ate so much okra I slid out of bed!" (1930s? East Texas?)

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sun Oct 21 04:14:13 UTC 2007


>Larry, do you really go for food like sea urchins and such or are you
>simply rising to the challenge?
>
>FWIW, I prefer candied yams and mustard greens with salt pork,
>sprinkled with what was known in my part of Down Home as "peppa
>salts": Scotch bonnet peppers marinated in vinegar. If the truth be
>told, I was never really down with things like mustard, turnip,
>collard, and beet greens or turnips and rutabaga. But you know how
>parents are. I had no say in the matter. And I never got ready for
>drinking pot liquor by the glass. Ugh!
>
>-Wilson

I'd go for any of the above except the candied yams, which are too
sweet for me.  Oursins, asa I like to think of them, are fine little
critters, but not necessarily worth the effort, and those greens and
roots are great.  If I could have a bit of those scotch bonnets to
squeeze into the pot likker or corn bread to sop in it, I'd be down
with that too.  (If I had my druthers, though, I'd opt for the
"broth" made when you dip a mess o' steamer clams into hot water to
wash off the sand.  Is there a name for that?  Clam likker?)

LH

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>On 10/18/07, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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>>  At 10:48 PM -0400 10/18/07, Wilson Gray wrote:
>>  >Quite impressive! Have you tried chitterlings with Frank's hot sauce,
>>  >yet? Now, there's a taste treat for the ages!
>>  >
>>  >-Wilson
>>
>>  The local "soul food" place near campus here, Sandra's
>>  (http://www.sandrasplace.com), cooks up an impressive mess o'
>>  chitlins on Fridays, and I always go for plenty of hot sauce,
>>  although I don't think it's Frank's per se.  And the nice thing is
>>  that you can choose two sides, one of which of course must be fried
>>  okra.  (The tough decision is sweet potato fries vs. collards.)
>>
>>  LH
>>
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>>  >On 10/18/07, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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>>  >>  At 7:36 PM -0400 10/18/07, Wilson Gray wrote:
>>  >>  >Stewed okry vaguely resembles red peppers, except that it's green and
>>  >>  >appears to be covered in a colorless mucilage trivially distinct from
>>  >>  >nasal mucus. It takes some getting used to, even if the eater is a
>>  >>  >native of East texas whose been fed it since becoming old enough to
>>  >>  >eat solid food, especially after the mucilaginous substance has ceased
>>  >>  >to be unique in the eater's experience.
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >I don't know why, but, IMO, the stuff is as sticky as mucilage or the
>>  >>  >grease from pig tails, swine neckbones, pig ears, pigs' feet, or pig
>>  >>  >snoots and not very slick at all. Our okry was home-grown, so that may
>>  >>  >have had something to do with it. Different subspecies or some such.
>>  >>  >Who knows?
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >-Wilson
>>  >>
>>  >>  Much ado about nothing.  I'm from New York and
>>  >>  I've loved okra, stewed and fried and Indian,
>>  >>  since I first tried 'em lo these 40 or years ago.
>>  >>  Took me no getting used to, any more than squid.
>  > >>  Now jellyfish and sea cucumber, *they* took
>>  >>  getting used to, and I'm not sure I'm there yet.
>>  >>  (Given the popularity of gumbo, I'm pretty sure
>>  >>  I'm not alone in my okraphilia, although I may be
>>  >>  a bit extreme in this--not everyone s(l)ips into
>>  >>  a dry okratini every night...)
>  > >>
>>  >>  LH
>>  >>
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >On 10/18/07, Barry Popik <bapopik at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>  >>  >>  Subject:      "I ate so much okra I slid out of bed!" (1930s?
>>  >>East Texas?)
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>>  >>  >>  Anyone remember this?
>>  >>  >>  ...
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>>  >>
>>>>http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/texas/entry/i_ate_so_much_okra_i_slid_out_of_bed_or_i_couldnt_keep_my_socks_up/
>>  >>  >>  ...
>>  >>  >>  Entry from October 18, 2007
>>  >>  >>  "I ate so much okra I slid out of bed!" or "I couldn't keep my
>>  >>socks up!"
>>  >>  >>  Boiled okra has a reputation for being slimy. Many people
>>survived on
>>  >>  >>  okra in the depression years of the 1930s, and the phrase arose: "I
>>  >>  >>  ate so much okra I slid out of bed!" Some people prefer
>>the less slimy
>>  >>  >>  fried okra instead.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Roy Blount Jr.'s ode "To Okra" in the July 1976 Atlantic
>>Monthly hints
>>  >>  >>  that if you eat too much okra, you'll have trouble keeping
>>your socks
>>  >>  >>  up.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Food Tale: Okra
>>  >>  >>  Okra
>>  >>  >>  (Abelmoschus esculentus)
>>  >>  >>  Okra, related to the hibiscus and a member of the mallow family, is
>>  >  > >>  native to tropical Africa or Asia--and was cultivated by
>>the Egyptians
>>  >>  >>  in the 12 century AD. It slowly traveled south into the
>>central lands
>>  >>  >>  of Africa; north and west to Mediterranean lands and
>>ultimately to the
>>  >>  >>  Balkans; and east to the subcontinent of India.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  It arrived in the United States in the 18th century with the slave
>>  >  > >>  trade, on a ship filled with Bantu tribes people. In no
>>time at all it
>>  >>  >>  became a cornerstone in southern cooking, Texan cuisine, and perhaps
>>  >>  >>  most especially the distinctive Cajun cooking of Louisiana.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  It still grows wild in Ethiopia and Sudan, just as it did in
>>  >>  >>  prehistoric times. Its plants, related to cotton, were carried to
>>  >>  >>  India and Egypt where they are still used in cooking oil and as a
>>  >>  >>  coffee substitute.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Today okra is used commercially as a hidden ingredient: it is the
>>  >>  >>  mucilage in catsup that makes it so hard to get out of the bottle.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Okay, here's the whole stupid "Song to Okra" by Roy Blount, Jr.:
>>  >>  >>  (...)
>>  >>  >>  Old Homer Ogletree's so high
>>  >>  >>  On okra he keeps lots laid by.
>>  >>  >>  He keeps it in a safe he locks up,
>>  >>  >>  He eats so much, can't keep his socks up.
>>  >>  >>  (Which goes to show it's no misnomer
>>  >>  >>  When people call him Okra Homer.
>>  >>  >  > Okra!
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Texas Cooking - Grandma's Cookbook
>>  >>  >>  Stewed Okra and Tomatoes
>>  >>  >>  Okra is not well-known outside the southern states, which is
>>  >>  >>  understandable in that it's a hot-weather crop. Fried
>>okra, of course,
>>  >>  >>  is immensely popular and has gained fame even in northern
>>climes, but
>>  >>  >>  real okra lovers appreciate its flavor when it is stewed-that is,
>>  >>  >  > cooked slowly with a little liquid. Okra can be stewed
>>alone or with
>>  >>  >>  other vegetables, most notably tomatoes. Ideally, you should have
>>  >>  >>  small pods of fresh okra and big, juicy tomatoes for this
>>recipe to be
>>  >>  >>  at its best.
>>  >>  >>  (...)
>>  >>  >>  People try to be kind to okra by describing its texture as
>>"silky," a
>>  >>  >>  euphemism, to be sure. There's no getting around it: okra,
>>especially
>>  >>  >>  stewed okra is slimey. There should be another word that does it
>  > >>  >>  justice, but I'm afraid the English language is lacking.
>But I refuse
>>  >>  >>  to defend okra. It's delicious-so much so that I enjoy that slimey
>>  >>  >>  texture. There's an old one-liner about okra that goes
>>like this: When
>>  >>  >>  I was a kid, I ate so much okra I couldn't keep my socks up.
>  > >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Google Books
>>  >>  >>  1981 (?), Atlantic Monthly, pg. 586:
>>  >>  >>  'I never had nary a cent in 1932,' a cropper told me, 'and I et so
>>  >>  >>  much okra I slid out of bed.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  13 November 1966, Dallas (TX) Morning News, "Tolbert's
>>Texas" by Frank
>>  >>  >>  X. Tolbert, section A, pg. 29:
>>  >>  >>  IN OKRA, ON Sabana Creek, I was told that the village was so labeled
>>  >>  >>  because an early settler and postmaster named Levi
>>McCulloch found the
>>  >>  >>  soil was well suited for raising the slippery vegetable, "and in the
>>  >>  >>  old days they ate so much okra they nearly slid out of bed."
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  20 November 1967, Dallas (TX) Morning News, "Tolbert's
>>Texas" by Frank
>>  >>  >>  X. Tolbert, section D, pg. 1:
>>  >>  >>  But when they pass the stewed okra I say no. Slimy, slick stuff. A
>>  >>  >>  popular saying during the early 1930's business depression
>>was: "I ate
>>  >>  >>  so much okra I nearly slid out of bed."
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  13 April 1972, Dallas (TX) Morning News, "On an Okra Recipe and
>>  >>  >>  Florida Road Rally" by Frank X. Tolbert, section A, pg. 17:
>>  >>  >>  Most cooks don't know how to prepare okra. And it comes
>>out slimy for
>>  >>  >>  them. Slimy and slick. In fact there was an old East Texas saying
>>  >>  >>  popular during The Great Depression: "I ate so much okra I
>>nearly slid
>>  >>  >>  out of bed."
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  28 June 1977, Dallas (TX) Morning News, "Tolbert's Texas"
>>by Frank X.
>>  >>  >>  Tolbert, section D, pg. 3:
>>  >>  >>  "I ate so much okra I slid out of bed"
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  9 July 1977, Dallas (TX) Morning News "Okra Town and Some Poems
>>  >>  >>  Praising Okra" by Frank X. Tolbert, section D, pg. 3:
>>  >>  >>  MRS. HELEN ROGERS of Arlington sent me a poem about okra by Roy
>>  >  > >>  Blount, Jr., published in the July 1976 issue of the
>>august Atlantic
>>  >>  >>  Monthly.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  "I don't even like the stuff-okra that is," Mrs. Rogers
>>wrote. "But in
>>  >>  >>  my opinion the poem on okra by Roy Blount Jr. in the
>>Atlantic Monthly
>>  >>  >>  is a dilly."
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  I hope that Mr. Blount and the Atlantic Monthly don't mind
>>if I print
>>  >>  >>  a few sample verses from the poem called "To Okra":
>>  >  > >>
>>  >>  >>  "Old Homer Ogletree's so high on okra he keeps lots laid
>>by...He keeps
>>  >>  >>  it in a safe he locks up, he eats so much, can't keep his socks up
>>  >>  >>  (Which goes to show it's no misnomer when people call him Okra
>>  >>  >>  Homer.)"
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  17 March 1987, The Advocate (Baton Rouge, LA):
>>  >>  >>  "I've eaten so much okra I have to put sand in my bed to keep from
>>  >>  >>  slipping out."
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Google Groups: soc.motss
>>  >>  >>  Newsgroups: soc.motss
>>  >>  >>  From: szrma... at chip.ucdavis.edu ()
>>  >>  >>  Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 21:47:16 GMT
>>  >>  >>  Local: Tues, Feb 1 1994 5:47 pm
>>  >>  >>  Subject: Re: Okra Winfrey (was: I *hate* beets (was Re:
>>Glory Holes))
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  "County Comic" Jerry Clower said he ate so much "slick, slimy boiled
>>  >>  >>  okra" as a child that he couldn't keep his socks up.... How
>>  >>  >>  appetizing!
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Google Groups: alt.2eggs.sausage.beans.tomatoes.2toast...
>>  >>  >>  Newsgroups:
>>alt.2eggs.sausage.beans.tomatoes.2toast.largetea.cheerslove
>>  >>  >>  From: "Nancy"
>>  >>  >>  Date: 1998/10/03
>>  >>  >>  Subject: Re: WHO LOVES A FULL ENGLISH BREAKFAST???
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  BTW, have you heard the southern comedian who claims to
>>have eaten so
>>  >>  >>  much okra as a child that he can't keep his socks up?
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  17 November 2003, The Advocate (Baton Rouge, LA):
>>  >>  >  > John A. Rooney III of Portland, Texas, says, "When I was a kid, my
>>  >>  >>  mother fed us so much okra that she had to throw sand in our beds to
>>  >>  >>  keep us from sliding out."
>  > >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Johnny Caker's Journal
>>  >>  >>  2005-08-04 - 9:23 p.m.
>>  >>  >>  (...)
>>  >>  >>  At supper Mom told a joke that her grandfather loved. Did you hear
>>  >>  >>  about the fella who loved boiled okra so much that he ate it every
>>  >>  >  > day? Well, he couldn't keep his socks up! Get it? Boiled okra is
>  > >>  >>  slimey!
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  30 March 2006, The Advocate (Baton Rouge, LA), pg. B1:
>>  >>  >>  T. G. Gaylor offers this from Jerry Clower: "My mama and grandma fed
>>  >>  >>  me so much boiled okra that I couldn't keep my socks up."
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Leon Hale (Houston Chronicle blog)
>>  >>  >>  October 03, 2006
>>  >>  >>  It's better if you fry it
>>  >>  >>  Finicky. There's a curious adjective, but I've been
>>familiar with it a
>>  >>  >>  long time because when I was a kid I was often called a
>>finicky eater.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  I wouldn't eat boiled okra, for instance. It was slick and looked
>>  >>  >>  slimy and the sight of people eating the stuff gave me the
>>fantods. Do
>>  >>  >>  you really like boiled okra? Ugh.
>>  >>  >>  (...)
>>  >>  >>  Comments
>>  >>  >>  you know what Jerry Clower said about boiled okra? "I ate
>>so much as a
>>  >>  >>  kid my socks would not stay up."
>>  >>  >>  Posted by: barbara at October 4, 2006 05:58 AM
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  Food Network Forums
>>  >>  >>  Re: Really Nice, Easy Chicken and Rice
>>  >>  >>  Wed, 25 October 2006 13:43
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  I know I must have already brought this up, but have you heard the
>>  >>  >>  comedian (his name escapes me) say, "I ate so much okra as a child I
>>  >>  >>  couldn't keep my socks up?" Hahaha! Fried okra that I have
>>had is just
>>  >>  >>  breading with a little seedy slime in it!
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