Runglish

[Wilson Gray]

Sigh! I know the feeling only too well, dInIs. I'm just happy not to
have - or should that be, "to not have"? - posted any notes to my wife
here, recently.

-Wilson

On 9/14/07, Dennis Preston <preston at msu.edu> wrote:
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> Wilson,
>
> Exactly; I meant to retrieve the message and write "only
> historically," but, alas, it had fled into the ether.
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> dInIs
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> >Thanks. But only historically for  /v/ (and /s/).
> >
> >-Wilson
> >
> >On 9/13/07, Dennis Preston <preston at msu.edu> wrote:
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> >>  Good shot Wilson.  I forgot such Russian items. (Although the /v/ [f]
> >>  is from another morpheme).
> >>
> >>  dInIs
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> >>  >How about [fstr] in _vstrecha_? Or do _biznesmeny_ prefer
> >>_miting_, nowadays?
> >>  >
> >>  >Sineet more za bul'varom
> >>  >Kashtan nad gorodom tsvetet
> >>  >Nash Konstantin beret gitaru
> >>  >I tikhim golosom poet:
> >>  >
> >>  >Ia vam ne skazhu za vsiu Odessu
> >>  >Vsia Odessa ochen' velika
> >>  >No i moldovanka i _peresyp_
> >>  >Obozhaiut Kostiu moriaka
> >>  >
> >>  >Chto znachit _peresyp_? It's not in Smirnitskii.
> >>  >
> >>  >-Wilson
> >>  >
> >>  >On 9/13/07, Darya Kostina <tamarra at ngs.ru> wrote:
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> >>  >>  Sure, Dennis, Ponglish or whatever you call it )
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  It must be about the place of articulation: Mstislav
> >>  >>  Kostruba (not quite Russian, by the way, though a Slavonic
> >>  >>  name): here we go from the lips to alveolae quite
> >>  >>  comfortably. And borsh is CC in pronunciation.
> >>  >>  But [ndk] makes you shift back and forth.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Historically, we sure have our awkward words. But slang is
> >>  >>  not likely to construct something painstaking, save if the
> >>  >>  comical effect is worth it.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:36:22 EDT
> >>  >>    RonButters at AOL.COM wrote:
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> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  > In a message dated 9/13/07 9:17:53 AM, preston at MSU.EDU
> >>  >>  >writes:
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >> Betcha can't get four. Even English speakers have /str/
> >>  >>  >>(although
> >>  >>  >> admittedly not /mst/).
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  >> dInIs
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  > Well, there is [borStS] 'beet soup'
> >>  >>  >
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come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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