Spanish Hamburger (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Mullins, Bill AMRDEC]

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Most of the Sloppy Joes I've eaten had onions and peppers in them.

Sometimes the food research Barry presents seems obvious to me -- like
"Bloody Mary" or "hot dog".  These are lexical terms that are important
enough to merit a listing.

But sometimes, they seem merely a combination of otherwise well-defined
terms that have been combined to make the name of a dish.  If "Spanish
Hamburger" is a combination of hambuger meat (well defined already) and
peppers and onions (to give it a "Spanish" flavor), then the interesting
part of the discussion would be that "Spanish" has a particular
definition/sense involving ingredients meant to allude to
Spanish-speaking lands (Mexico, in this case, I suppose), or at least
presumed to do so (since when are onions a Mexican ingredient?).   The
OED has "Spanish" as an adj, but not a specific food sense.

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> At 11:27 AM -0500 9/26/07, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC wrote:
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> >I did look at the recipe, and it seemed to be a pretty
> standard Sloppy
> >Joe mix, except for the celery.  Maybe more peppers than is
> normal, but
> >I can't say for sure.  And that's the source of my confusion.
> >
> >Is Spanish Hamburger another name for Sloppy Joe meat?  Or
> is it Sloppy
> >Joe with celery added?
>
> I'd say the onions and peppers are even more crucial.  None
> of these make the hamburger Spanish, but they do make it
> "Spanish", or did back when the recipe was printed.  (I don't
> mean to suggest that sloppy joes can't contain these
> ingredients do, but they're not criterial in that case,
> although the tomato sauce is.)
>
> LH
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> >>  At 5:50 PM -0500 9/25/07, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC wrote:
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> >>  >They'd have to have a definition, wouldn't they?  So
> what makes a
> >> >Spanish Hamburger distinct from any other?
> >>
> >>  Note the recipe (intervening material from Barry's post deleted):
> >>
> >>
> >>  >...> http://iwant.on.ca/Recipes/SpanishHamburger.html
> >>  >>  "SPANISH HAMBURGER"
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  This recipe is not all that low in fat due to the  hamburger
> >> but if  >> you use lean or extra lean ground beef it will help
> >> reduce the fat  >> content in it.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Ingredients.....
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  1 lb. lean or extra lean ground beef  >>  1/2 green pepper,
> >> diced  >>  1 onion, diced  >>  2 celery ribs, diced  >>  1
> can (15-16
> >> oz) stewed tomatoes or tomato sauce 1  teaspoon  minced
> >> garlic
> >> >>  Optional: 1-2 teaspoons of sugar (this takes the acid
> out of  the
> >> >> tomatoes)  >>  1/4 cup of water  >>  hamburger buns  >>
>  >>  >>
> >> Put the extra lean ground beef, green pepper, onion and
> celery in a
> >> >> pan, and brown the meat. The vegetables will cook
> along with the
> >> >> meat.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Drain, then add the tomatoes or tomato sauce and
> minced  garlic.
> >> If  >> you like a sweeter less acidic sauce, add the sugar.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  If you like a juicer sauce, add the water. You can let  this
> >> simmer  >> about 20 minutes.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  You can double or triple the recipe, cook it in the
> pan  or  put
> >> it  >> in a crock pot to simmer. Eat it on a bun and call it  >  >
> >> sloppy joe's.
> >>  >>
> >>
> >>  LH
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