Scot LaFaive slafaive at GMAIL.COM
Sun Apr 6 02:12:08 UTC 2008

>Everything's in our heads, phonemes and allophones. There are only 40
phonemes for Amenglish, so allophones fit within them.

If you are saying that allophones ARE phonemes, then I think you are
probably the only person who defines allophones as such. I'm not
trying to start a fight here, but it seems you are trying to redefine
accepted terms. Also, allophones are not "in our heads;" by definition
allophones exist in the "real world" the second phonemes are put into
a linguistic environment.

>Something "in your head" isn't much of a definition.

I know. I was just keeping the definition very general since Tom's
definition of a phoneme was so out of the park of what is defined as a


On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Michael Covarrubias <mcovarru at> wrote:
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> Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> > Truespel has phonemes ~er, ~air, ~or, which are American English vowels that are influenced by the letter "r", so "r" is attached to the phoneme, but a separate phoneme.  This was explained.
> >
> Well...maybe I defended your other claim too early. It turns out I don't
> understand some of your confusion like I thought I did. Now you *are*
> claiming that there are phonemes made up of multiple...phonemes?
> I'm out.
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