Antedating of "JAP"

Jerome Foster funex79 at CHARTER.NET
Mon Dec 29 05:27:44 UTC 2008


I had no idea that IAP was a real sorority. I had cousins who were members
at Brooklyn College and I do know that they had no problem in referring to
themselves as JAPS so maybe I retroactively thought up the JAP/IAP idea...J
Foster
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> Using Google I found this:
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> "According to Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities at pp.
> 807-08
> (19th Ed. 1977), Iota Alpha Pi was the oldest national college sorority
> founded by Jewish women.  It was founded at Hunter(then Normal) College in
> New York in March, 1903."
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> So, should we conclude that JAP was in use in 1903?
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> Fred Shapiro
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> -Herman Wouk may have originated the type if not the actual term in
> Marjorie
> Morningstar in 1945 but I believe the term preceded the novel. In the
> early
> forties there was an informal sorority of Jew ish girls call Iota Alpha
> Pi,
> there being no J  in greek, the Iota was the closest they could get to
> JAP.....Jerome Foster, Los Osos, CA
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>> Surely this is very late?!?  Unless I'm hallucinating, I first
>> encountered this term in the late 40s early 50s.
>> AM
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>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
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>>> OED and HDAS have 1972 as their first use for _J.A.P._ 'Jewish
>>> American Princess.'  Google Books gives the following, probably
>>> authentic occurrence:
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>>> Transatlantic Review├Ż - Page 69
>>> 1969-70
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>>> To my Jap - my Jewish American Princess.
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>>> I have not, however, verified this in the original.
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>>> Fred Shapiro
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