Antedating of "JAP" (UNCLASSIFIED)

Mullins, Bill AMRDEC Bill.Mullins at US.ARMY.MIL
Tue Dec 30 22:10:11 UTC 2008


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Note to self:

1.  Check archives
2.  Bang head against wall
3.  Repeat

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse Sheidlower
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:04 PM
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> Poster:       Jesse Sheidlower <jester at PANIX.COM>
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> Not exactly; the OED doesn't have a lemma for "Jewish
> American Princess".  It's under _princess_, where there's a
> 1966 for "Jewish princess" but nothing at all for the fuller
> form. The 1970 LAT cite doesn't show "JAP".
>
> Also, three days ago Fred did acknowledge this very quotation:
>
> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0807C&L=ADS-
> L&P=R4424&I=-3
>
> Also, four years ago Jerome Foster mentioned the Iota Alpha
> Pi story, in his version as being inspired by "Jewish
> American Princess" rather than the other way around:
>
> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401C&L=ADS-
> L&P=R982&I=-3
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> Jesse Sheidlower
> OED
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 03:57:46PM -0600, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC wrote:
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> > While recognizing that Fred's probable cite of JAP/Jewish
> American Princess below is only a library visit away from
> becoming definite, I offer the following, which unambiguously
> antedates the OED:
> >
> > "Party-Goer Pinch Hits for Gossip Columnist" BURT PRELUTSKY _Los
> > Angeles Times_ ; Aug 9, 1970; pg. N15 col 3 "Geoff Miller
> (of Los Angeles magazine) and Barbara ("I'm a Jewish American
> Princess") Selcer are telling everyone they're just friends."
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: American Dialect Society
> > > [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shapiro, Fred
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 10:55 AM
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> > > Subject: Antedating of "JAP"
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> > > Poster:       "Shapiro, Fred" <fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> > > Subject:      Antedating of "JAP"
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> > > OED and HDAS have 1972 as their first use for _J.A.P._ 'Jewish
> > > American Princess.'  Google Books gives the following, probably
> > > authentic occurrence:
> > >
> > >
> > > Transatlantic Review├Ż - Page 69
> > > 1969-70
> > >
> > > To my Jap - my Jewish American Princess.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have not, however, verified this in the original.
> > >
> > > Fred Shapiro
> >
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