Tonto and the Lone Ranger

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Mon Feb 18 04:37:26 UTC 2008

Quite so, Ron. And there's another question that hasn't come up, yet.
Is the discusssion about Tonto of the 'Forties or about Jay
Silverheels of the 'Sixties?

Roy Rogers also had Gabby Hayes. The Green Hornet had Kato, originally
Japanese, but later Filipino. Mandrake the Magician had Lothar, a
prince among his own people, but who chose to be a servant among
Mandrake's. The Green Arrow and Captain America both, like Batman, had
boy companions. Then there was the Human Torch and his boy, Toro.
Charlie Chan and Jack Benny. with their "boys," Birmingham and
Rochester. Arnold Stang played Harvey Prinzmetl on "Meet Corliss
Archer" and various other subservient Jewish characters on "Henry
Aldrich," "Our Miss Brooks," and even on the Jack Benny Show, among
others. There was Big Stoop on Terry & the Pirates and The Asp in and
on Little Orphan Annie. There were a million of these "ruddy-duddy
cut-buddies," ranging from Dr. Watson through Arnold Stang to Stepin


On Feb 15, 2008 12:08 PM,  <RonButters at> wrote:
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> Right, Dennis, we all try to COOPERATE with the speaker, but when it comes t=
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> seeing the "point" of the narrative, our assumptions vary between seeing the=
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> speaker as mirroring our own attitudes and seeing the speaker as having the=20
> attitudes that we ascribe to our convictions about the speaker's beliefs. Th=
> is=20
> variability is especially poignant in the case of the "joke" genre, because=20
> there the hearer is aware that the inception of the narrative is not simply=20=
> the=20
> teller, but some anonymous creator or series of creators. Moreover, in the c=
> ase=20
> of the Lone Ranger/Tonto joke, hearers will be affected variously by their=20
> perceptions of and awareness of the whole series of radio, film, and comic-b=
> ook=20
> depictions of the two partners in crime fighting in the Old West (and in=20
> addition, awareness of what is to be expected from the well-known topos of t=
> he two=20
> male companions--see below).
> Thus a member of an oppressed minority might tend to see the "What you mean=20
> me, white man?" story as the creation of an oppresive white majority that vi=
> ews=20
> minorities as untrustworthy and invents such a story to reinforce that view=20
> and maybe even teach it to the young. Such a person might also see the name=20
> "Tonto" as a semi-secret slur based upon the Spanish word meaning "stupid"=20
> (despite the fact that Tonto is depicted as a wise Noble Savage throughout t=
> he=20
> entire series).
> A member of the white majority who is familiar with the LR/T story would be=20
> likely to see the story in some variation of the reading that I have always=20
> given it: as a joke about the weakness of the human spirit in the face of da=
> nger=20
> and adversity: even the noble Tonto, the "faithful Indian companion," one of=
>  a=20
> huge number of faithful companions well-known in stories going back to=20
> Chaucer, may turn to betrayal if there is a chance to save his own skin. The=
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> REVERSAL of the normal expecations is what makes the story funny.  =20
> And, as boyhood lover of the LR/T radio program, I would have laughed at the=
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> idea that Tonto's name had anything to do with the Spanish adjective (a word=
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> that I did not learn until I was in my 30s). to me as a boy, it was just a n=
> ame=20
> that sounded appropriately non-white. Tonto was always depicted so nobly tha=
> t=20
> it would just have been absurd to think that anyone chose his name to=20
> belittle him.
> There are other (more recent) readings, e.g., the reading that focusses on=20
> the subserviant role of Tonto and the "broken" English that he speaks as=20
> inherently racist; and the reading that sees the story as an instance of the=
>  topos of=20
> the two male companions, one of whom is subserviant (Prince Hal and=20
> Fallstaff; Don Quixote and his sidekick; Batman and Robin; Gene Autry and [I=
>  forget his=20
> name]; Red Rider and Little Beaver [!]; Hopalong Cassidy and somebody [I=20
> forget HIS name] (these all get a special twist in gay subculture readings a=
> nd=20
> Freudian readings); Roy Rogers and Dale Evans (a real innovation, since she=20=
> was a=20
> GIRL--and his WIFE).
> We could probably tease out a Marxist reading as well. Or an anti-gay=20
> marriage one ("These same-sex relationships just don't stand up in the face=20=
> of=20
> adversity--it is every man for himself").
> In a message dated 2/15/08 7:21:48 AM, preston at MSU.EDU writes:
> > I'm saving this exchange as the best example of point-of-view
> > difference in textual interpretation I've seen in a long time. For
> > Wilson it is a put-down of the minority as untrustworthy but for
> > James a justifiable come-uppance for the majority figure.
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> > Although "readers" rather than "texts" turn out to be the determining
> > factor here, ya'll (y'all) need not worry; I ain't going post-Modern
> > on you.
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> > >>I heard the punchline ca.1944 as "What you mean, 'we,' white man?" And
> > >>no mention was made of weapons. Of course, such jokes have many
> > >>different versions. I heard it in Saint Louis from a white neighbor
> > >>boy and I took its point to be that, when the deal goes down, white
> > >>people can not trust the non-white and I didn't find it humorous at
> > >>all.
> > >
> > >Hm. I took no such general point from it. To me it was specifically
> > >about the characters in question. I've never idolized the Lone
> > >Ranger; to me he's, if anything, more a figure of fun. In the
> > >situation in question, the Indians are probably angry with him for
> > >shooting a lot of them, which seems justifiable to me. I tend to
> > >think of the punch line whenever someone wants to include me by
> > >assumption in what I see as perhaps not the right side of the debate.
> > >In other words, I'm identifying with Tonto. Enough with this Lone
> > >Ranger dude! He can get his own ass out of this mess, I'm not
> > >covering for him this time.
> > >
> > >Thanks for the reminder, though, that not everyone sees these things
> > >from the same perspective.
> > >
> > >James Harbeck.
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