Jagwire

[Jonathan Lighter]

Etymologically, shouldn't that be be "arhotic" ?

  And what's arhotic to you....

  JL

Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
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At 9:41 AM -0500 1/10/08, David Bergdahl wrote:
>So far no one has mentioned the BBC-pronunciation of jsomething like
>jag-yu-ah. The medial /u/ is prominent.
>-db

Actually, I'm sure that's what Susan Rosine was getting at with her
reference to the "jag-you-are" pronunciation used on the car
commercials. It's pronounced in the classic RP non-rhotic style, so
that is indeed what you're referring to as "jag-yu-ah".

LH

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>On Jan 9, 2008 4:23 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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>> FWIW, "jagwire" has been the "standard" BE pronunciation for the name
>> of the animal among all non-pedantic speakers [*I* have always used
>> "jagwar," but my friends considered that to be merely a personal
>> affectation or some kind of phony spelling pronunciation or some such
>> and ignored it) since at least the late 'Thirties. When the name of
>> the automobile became known among middle-class blacks, the
>> pronunciation remained "Jagwire."
>>
>> -Wilson
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>> On Jan 8, 2008 8:18 PM, Laurence Horn wrote:
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>> > At 12:11 PM -0500 1/8/08, Laurence Horn wrote:
>> > >At 10:43 AM -0600 1/8/08, Philip (Flip) Kromer wrote:
>> > >>Tony Kornheiser (Pardon the Interruption, Monday Night Football,
>> > >>ex-washpost) says 'Jagwire' or very close to it.
>> > >
>> > >Are you sure he's not doing it self-consciously, with invisible
>> > >quotes? I've heard Tom Jackson (of ESPN) refer to the Jacksonville
>> > >team as the Jagwires, and probably other commentators, but I suspect
>> > >if Kornheiser does it he's not being authentic. (He often isn't.)
>> > >He is indeed from Long Island, where I certainly never heard
>> > >"Jagwire". (In those days, it would have been in reference to the
>> > >car or possibly the cat; the team hadn't been invented yet.)
>> > >
>> > >LH
>> >
>> > A bit of support for this position: at 5:45 or so tonight (EST),
>> > Tony Kornheiser was discussing the upcoming Jaguars-Patriots playoff
>> > game on PTI and referred to the Jacksonville team by nickname four
>> > times, pronouncing it as "the ['Jaegwarz]" (sans diphthong) each time.
>> >
>> > LH
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>> > >
>> > >> You can download the
>> > >>podcast version of PTI from iTunes; I know I heard him do it
>> repeatedly last
>> > >>week, but don't recall which one. I'm sure you'll find multiple uses
>> these
>> > >>past and next few weeks.
>> > >>
>> > >>He's not undereducated, and is Long Island, I think.
>> > >>
>> > >>flip
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>> > >>On Jan 8, 2008 6:34 AM, Sam Clements wrote:
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>> > >>> Of course I'm talking about Jaguar.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Since I'm not a linguist, is there an explanation for the =
>> > >>> mispronunciation of the word? I never encountered it until I
>> worked =
>> > >>> with some people in Middle Ohio, who also happen to be
>> undereducated(and =
>> > >>> coincidentally from Southern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania). Or am I =
>> > >>> reading too much into their family backgrounds?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Anyway, is this something as simple as saying "warsh" for wash,
> > "tarred" =
>> > >>> for tired? =20
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