Antedating of Flea Market (UNCLASSIFIED)

Mullins, Bill AMRDEC Bill.Mullins at US.ARMY.MIL
Tue Jul 8 18:40:07 UTC 2008


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The tone of the article is such that it is difficult to say whether the
author was pulling our legs.

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> People were once willing to *pay for* fleas?!!! At a time
> when a person could acquire them at no charge by merely
> walking among the people in a market on his way to the
> flea-seller's booth?!!! Well, you did say that these were
> trained - I assume - fleas meant for circuses.
>
> -Wilson
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC
> <Bill.Mullins at us.army.mil> wrote:
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> > The same quote appears in Gale 19th Century newspapers:
> >
> > Daily Evening Bulletin (San Francisco, CA) Monday, August
> 17, 1891; pg.
> > 4; Issue 112; col C
> > Daily Evening Bulletin (San Francisco, CA) Friday, October
> 16, 1891;
> > Issue 8; col H
> >
> > And the same anecdote, phrased differently, in Gale British
> Newspapers
> > 1600 - 1900:
> >
> > "PARIS DAY BY DAY"
> > The Belfast News-Letter (Belfast, Ireland), Tuesday, July
> 28, 1891; p.
> > 6 col 7.
> > "There is going on just now near the Barriere de Montreuil, at the
> > extreme east end of Paris a sale of rubbish, familiarly
> known to its
> > frequenters by the unattractive name of the "Flea Market." "
> >
> >
> > Gale 19th Century British Periodicals has an 1856 for "Flea
> Market",
> > but it is literally that -- a market in which fleas are
> sold for Flea
> > Circuses.
> >
> >
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> >> OED and MW11 both have 1922.
> >>
> >> N'archive has _Janesville(WI) Gazette_  4 November 1891 p, 3/4
> >>
> >>   "Near the Barriere de Montreuil, in Paris, they have
> sales of odds
> >> and = ends known as the "flea market."  A woman recently bought a
> >> dilapidated = old mattress and, cutting it open, found
> 14,000 francs
> >> in gold."
> >>
> >> Sam Clements
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