"Regional speech may be fading, but..."

[Wilson Gray]

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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> At 7:10 PM -0400 6/22/08, Wilson Gray wrote:
>>On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Benjamin Zimmer
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>>>  On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Laurence Horn
>>>><laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Other than that dubious starting premise, this is a sorta fun piece
>>>>  > on the "Dutchified" English of Lancaster, PA and environs in today's
>>>>  > Times, with a lot of nice (if not particularly novel) data:
>>>>  >
>>>>http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/travel/escapes/20rituals.html?scp=1&sq=Lancaster&st=nyt
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>>>>  WRT the
>>>>
>>>>  "here nah"
>>>>
>>>>  cited in the article, my wife, from Kingston in the Wyoming Valley of
>>>>  the Susquehanna River, tells me that she and her children friends used
>>>>  to sing, to the tune of Boola-Boola, the following jingle:
>>>>
>>>>  Heyna! Heyna!
>>>>  Heyna! Heyna!
>>>>  We're from Plymout'
>>>>  Pennsylvania!
>>>>
>>>>  According to a local publication entitled "The [Wyoming] Valley,"
>>>>  _heyna_ is used by speakers of the Valley dialect to form tag
>>>>  questions:
>>>>
>>>>  "The state of Wyoming was founded by people from The Valley, heyna?"
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>>>  Wilson also directed our attention to the "Heynabonics" video on
>>>  YouTube last year. More on "heyna" in NE PA here:
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>>>  http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/005129.html
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>>>  --Ben Zimmer
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>>
>>Very interesting stuff in the above URL, Ben. I wonder why it is,
>>though, that we (*not* including you, Ben, of course) amateurs always
>>tend to assume that certain "localisms," e.g. "hiya," "half-holiday,"
>>and "hollor"[sic], known from Maine to California, are peculiar only
>>to our own area of the country.
>>
>>-Wilson
>>
> I think it's the spatial analogue of what arnold calls the recency
> effect.  (For more confirmation, just pick up any of those books on
> "Maine Lingo" or "Minnesota Chatter" or whatever.  Some of them
> essentially pick out random U.S. colloquialisms as examples of the
> local dialect.)
>
> LH
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And then there's the mirror-image of this, wherein it's assumed that
the entire world knows a particular expression. I never heard the
expression, "close, but no cigar," till I was a high-school senior.
The expression was so familiar to my classmates and yet so strange to
me that they had a hard time finding a way to clarify its meaning for
me.

-Wilson

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All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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