"gohr" not in English dictionaries?

[Paul Johnston]

As far as I know, depending on dialect. it's most often /dZ/ or /Z/;
a few dialects (Gulf Arabic, for instance), have lenited it to /j/.
It does come from a Proto-Semitic /g/, I think.

Paul Johnston
On Apr 21, 2009, at 12:32 AM, Randy Alexander wrote:

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> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Benjamin Zimmer <
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>> This is presumably an Egyptian variant of standard Arabic "juHr",
>> which Hans Wehr's Arabic-English Dictionary defines as "hole, den,
>> lair, burrow." The "j" ("jim") of classical Arabic is realized in
>> Egyptian as /g/.
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> When you say the "jim" of classical Arabic, is the "j" /dZ/ or /
> j/?  I'm
> interested in this because you said it's realized in Egyptian as /g/.
>  Manchu /g/ is often realized in Chinese as /tS/ (pinyin "j").  I'm
> wondering if this is a widespread variation, especially in
> transliterating
> things from one language to another.
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