Misquoting Homer

Bill Palmer w_a_palmer at BELLSOUTH.NET
Sun Aug 23 18:29:10 UTC 2009

Maybe it WAS "sheep".  After all, you know the old Greek navy
saying..."women are for breeding, boys are for pleasure, but for sheer
ecstasy, there is nothing like a goat"

Bill Palmer

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From: "Doug Harris" <cats22 at STNY.RR.COM>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Misquoting Homer

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> I thought it said 'sheep'... and I thought 'Homer said THAT???'
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> From: "Jonathan Lighter" <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> Received: 8/23/2009 1:23:04 PM
> Subject: Misquoting Homer
>>This should probably go to the Homer list, but they may know about it
>>These lines show up fifty times on Google Books, back to 1942 (in a book
>>quotations...) as a Homeric statement on men and war:
>>"Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing, sooner than of war."
>>Great comment, right?
>>Well, maybe, but what Homer really said was something like this:
>>"A man may have enough of anything-
>>sleep or love or the sweet song or the dance-
>>and all are much better than battle, but
>>these Trojans never get their fill of war!"
>>     ---- Iliad, XIII, 636-39, trans. Michael Reck.
>>See, Menelaus is complaining that the Trojans are inhuman for keeping the
>>war going, whereas the misquotation implies that an overweening love of
>>is the norm.
>>I picked Reck's undeservedly lesser-known translation (it came out at the
>>same time as Robert Fagles's blockbuster! Oops!) because it's the simplest
>>for mof the statement, but all the others I've looked at say essentially
>>same thing.
>>"There You Go Again...Using Reason on the Planet of the Duck-Billed
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