Re: [ADS-L] last la ugh on awe-dropping

[RonButters at AOL.COM]

Has this guy learned NOTHING about the stardard phonological terminology in 
all the years he has been posting to this list?

As we are talking about it here, schwa is a phone, not a phoneme. The "uh" 
that he hears is a schwa. There is nothing "vague" about it. If it is not 
pronounced "uh" it is not a schwa.

In a message dated 2/8/09 12:07:31 PM, truespel at HOTMAIL.COM writes:


> As I hear spoken in m-w.com  ~Lu Gwaardeeyu~  where ~u = "uh", ~aar = "are"
> 
> Again I here a y glide.  I think m-w.com initially had y glides in the 
> phonetic spelling but took them out.
> 
> Schwa is a vague phoneme, often spoken with a short i or short oo.  In 
> truespel there are no schwas because all are spelled out as heard on talking 
> dictionaries.
> 
> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> see truespel.com
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> > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:48:46 -0500
> > From: RonButters at AOL.COM
> > Subject: last laugh on awe-dropping
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> > In most (all?) varieties of American English, [a] reduces to schwa when=20
> > unstressed. The pronunciation of "LaGuardia" with two schwas is totally 
> norm=
> > al in=20
> > ordinary speech cadence. It is totally unremarkable.
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> > In a message dated 2/8/09 9:25:30 AM, Berson at ATT.NET writes:
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> >> At 2/8/2009 10:04 AM, James A. Landau wrote:
> >>>I checked the written transcript of Flight 1549 talking with New
> >>>York TRACON (Terminal Radar Approach Control).=A0 There were only a
> >>>few words with "awe".=A0 One, repeated several times, was "LaGuardia",
> >>>which is most often pronounced /l@ 'gwawr dee @/.=A0 This is odd,
> >>>since it is an Italian name which Fiorella pronounced I don't know
> >>>how but his ancestors pronounced /lah gwahr dee ah/.
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> >> l@ by analogy with "the"?
> >>=20
> >> BTW, it's "Fiorello", not "la".=A0 And while I listened to his reading
> >> of the comics, I can't attest to his pronunciation, only mine --
> >> which is /lah gwahr dee ah/.=A0 Are recordings of his readings
> >> extant?=A0 Possibly he introducing himself.
> >>=20
> >> Also BTW, checking on the year of his readings, I notice that the
> >> Wikipedia article separates La Guardia.
> >>=20
> >> Joel
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