Correction: unrounded [u] versus "barred-i"

[Paul A Johnston, Jr.]

Wilson,
I know you know Irish, which has unrounded this vowel--Scots Gaelic <ao> as in caol sounds like a
true back vowel to me--backer than Russian y.

Paul Johnston

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From: Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM>
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Correction: unrounded [u] versus "barred-i"

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> Thanks. WRT to Russian, [barred-i] and [y] are typically used to
> represent its high, back, unrounded [u], historically and, according
> to some generative phonologists, underlyingly, a long /u/. But, IIRC,
> no one has claimed IPA-equivalence or even general phonetic exactitude
> for either of these representations. It's usually just a matter of
> typographical convenience for whoever is writing or printing the text.
>
> IAC, the local pronunciation of Worcester is a little unexpected. In
> like manner, my PA in-laws always get a laugh out of my
> Saint-Louis-ized  pronunciation of the Wilkes-Barre borough of Forty
> Fort as "Farty Fart." (The name commemorates the fact that, back in
> the day, forty colonists built a fort there.)
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> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:55 PM,  <RonButters at aol.com> wrote:
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> > I should have written:
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> > Â Well, [u] is a high back vowel, whereas "barred-i" is usually
> used to
> > indicate a high CENTRAL vowel.
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> > In a message dated 2/25/09 12:54:47 PM, RonButters at AOL.COM writes:
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> >> Well, [u] is a high back vowel, whereas "barred-i" is usually
> used to
> >> indicate a high mid vowel.
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