'Jazz" discussed in baseball research group -- supposed musical antedatings in Newspaper Archives

[Wilson Gray]

Not to mention that Skip appears to be crying Wolof with his reference
to West-African origin. :-)

-Wilson

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Gerald Cohen<gcohen at mst.edu> wrote:
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> My thanks to Doug and Sam. Also, I checked the supposed April 10, 1909 and
> the May 9, 1909 jazz quotes in the Evening Telegram (Elyria, Ohio). Â They
> are both from 1919, not 1909.
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> Gerald Cohen
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> On 7/12/09 4:15 PM, "Sam Clements" <SClements at NEO.RR.COM> wrote:
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>>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> Unless I've misread your post, the person who originally sent these cites
>> obviously had no "real" access to Newspaper Archive. Â Note the garbled
>> spelling in the texts.
>>
>> If they had such, they could have checked to see if the dates on the
>> mastheads matched the supposed cite dates.
>>
>> Sam Clements
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>> From: "Douglas G. Wilson" <douglas at NB.NET>
>> To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 17:04
>> Subject: Re: 'Jazz" discussed in baseball research group -- supposed musical
>> antedatings in Newspaper Archives
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>>
>>> Gerald Cohen wrote:
>>>> ....
>>>>>> found various prior mentions of the term jazz  in reference to music.
>>>>>> But are these references reliable?
>>> No. They are generally (I think all) bogus.
>>>
>>> I have done the same search myself, as have others (I suppose many
>>> others); maybe we've missed something, but it is obviously unbelievable
>>> that ALL of us simply overlooked ALL of these readily available "early
>>> citations"!
>>>
>>> Of course N'archive is no more reliable than other digitized stuff, and
>>> many of the papers are wrongly dated. One must always seek internal
>>> evidence of the date if it's important. One must also examine the actual
>>> image to be sure that there is not an OCR error (these are very frequent).
>>>
>>> Note too that one must be able to date the relevant page imaged (not
>>> just the issue) since sometimes pages are mixed.
>>>
>>> -- Doug Wilson
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