velar trill (was: ~Yeshuewu)

Tom Zurinskas truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Tue Jun 9 17:06:34 UTC 2009

If the iPA does not recognize these velar trills or alveolar trills (Spanish r) it is sorely lacking.  They are real.  They are the most often made sounds outside of the English foenubet (set of sounds) ref truespel book one.

I'd say that all sounds are not equal in difficulty.  The harder ones have been dropped from USA English, like the trilled r (which you can still hear in Edison recordings, eg the word great with a multi-trilled r ~grqaet).  The most difficult sounds would seem to be those showing droppings, like ~th, ~t, ~h, ~r, ~au (awe), ~l (widow wed wabbit).  There would appear to be more mouth-work in saying them, so folks might want to work around them.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+

> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:06:03 -0400
> From: thnidu at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: velar trill (was: ~Yeshuewu)
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> Sender: American Dialect Society
> Poster: Mark Mandel
> Subject: Re: velar trill (was: ~Yeshuewu)
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> Herb:
>> There is no IPA symbol for the sound. Â Apparently IPA covers only
>> terrestrial languages.
> Randy:
>> Yes, for that you'd have to use the EPA (Extraterrestrial Paraphonetic
>> Alphabet), now under construction. Â It uses a quantum matrix of
>> decillions of symbolic representations of a wide variety of codable
>> media. Â A notable example is chemolfactory character set:
>> " I'm imagining non-auditory languages. For example, one in which
>> creatures emit chemicals and they smell each other. Imagine hundreds of thousands of chemical building blocks in a language. Very smelly."
> I used to say with assurance that no human language would use this
> phone (which I write phonetically as k with a tilde), at least
> lexically, because the physical effort was too great. But as it came
> with practice, I realized that that could be simply the same
> lectocentrism that brands velar and uvular trills, clicks, front
> rounded vowels, and any other phone that's not in own language as
> "hard".
> There are attested (in sf) olfactory languages. The citation I'm
> thinking of, though I can't recall the title or author, is at least 45
> years old and features two humans and an alien who is "cabin boy" of
> his ship. Since his actual name is literally unprintable, the author
> nicknames him "Tommy Loy", and ends the story with a very shaggy
> allusion.
> Klingon, however, was developedXXXXXXXX documented by a human
> linguist, Dr. Marc Okrand, and is representable in IPA.
> m a m
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