Uvular /l/ (Was: velarized /l/ again)

Tom Zurinskas truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Thu Mar 12 19:46:02 UTC 2009


I can make that "l" fricative sound.  Just keep the tongue flat and pinch the cheeks in and get a fricative around the tongue and cheeks when making an "l".

I Can't do a velar or uvular "l" if I try.  I would say "l" is not velar of uvular at all, alveolar.

I think "l" works like "m".  where for "m" there is a vocal component while the lips are together then releases when the lips part to say a vowel.  Just so the "l" has a vocal (vowelish) component that releases when the tongue flaps down.

Most salient "l" is Joe Namath's.  I think he does it with a wide rather than narrow tongue.


Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
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> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0400
> From: paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU
> Subject: Re: Uvular /l/ (Was: velarized /l/ again)
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> It's due to the aspiration, I think. I don't have a fricative in
> blue, glue.
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> Paul Johnston
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> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Herb Stahlke wrote:
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>> Is the sense of a lateral fricative a result of the aspiration of
>> initial /p/? Or is there clear lateral constriction and resulting
>> turbulence?
>>
>> Herb
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>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Paul A Johnston, Jr.
>> wrote:
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>>> As a kid, I had this in onset position--it was one of the features
>>> I went to speech therapy (in IL) for. I don't know how widespread
>>> it is in NY/NJ/E PA, but I get the feeling I wasn't alone. In a
>>> word like "play", it was some kind of lateral fricative, too. I
>>> still sporadically come out with one.
>>>
>>> Paul Johnston
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Neal Whitman
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:46 pm
>>> Subject: Uvular /l/ (Was: velarized /l/ again)
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>>>> Poster: Neal Whitman
>>>> Subject: Uvular /l/ (Was: velarized /l/ again)
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>>>> Some people use a different gesture involving the back of their
>>>> tongue to
>>>> make an /l/: a uvular nasal consonant. (It's represented as [N] in
>>>> IPA,which unfortunately is ambiguous here, since [N] is also SAMPA
>>>> for the velar
>>>> nasal.) I wrote about in a couple of short posts:
>>>> http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2006/05/21/totally-uvular/
>>>> http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2007/01/10/lsa-2007-l-and-s-at-
>>>> the/
>>>>
>>>> Neal Whitman
>>>> Email: nwhitman at ameritech.net
>>>> Blog: http://literalminded.wordpress.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Herb Stahlke"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:31 PM
>>>> Subject: velarized /l/ again
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>>>>> Wilson mentioned in the previous thread that /l/ tends not to be
>>>>> velarized in AAE, at least certainly not as much in other AmE
>>>>> varieties. I've noticed this week the word "colleague"
>>>> pronounced on
>>>>> TV by two African Americans, one I think an Olympic track
>>>> athlete in a
>>>>> cell phone ad and the other Ice T on Law and Order SVU. Both
>>>>> pronounced the /l/ without velarization and clearly the onset of
>>>>> the
>>>>> second syllable. In my speech the /l/ is ambisyllabic, begins
>>>>> velarized and ends unvelarized.
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb
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