the three "n" s

Paul Johnston paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU
Mon Mar 23 23:48:30 UTC 2009

You mean the n *sounds*--even your description says that.  I won't
reprise everyone else's argument about the "velar n" being a phoneme
on its own.  I guess you have a system like English West Midlanders
do--where engma IS an allophone.  For what t's worth, I've heard such
systems from other Easterners--including a colleague of mine from
Providence.  I don't have it, though.  Now, are you like Birmingham/
Liverpool or like Stoke-on-Trent?  I. e. do you have a /g/ in sings?
I bet you don't.

On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:

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> I'd say there are 3 ways of say the sound "n", the most often
> spoken sound of USA English.  For each, the tongue forms a dam so
> air is routed through the nose to make the "n" sound, but tongue
> placement differs, as per example in these three words; winter,
> finger, and danger.
> 1. the front n - Winter - (tongue tip contacts top gums)
> 2. the back n - Finger -  (back of tongue contacts the velum)
> 3. the middle n - Danger - (whole tongue rises to palate)
> These "n"s are not noticably different in sound, and are allophones
> of each other.
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>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:35:36 -0700
>> From: zwicky at STANFORD.EDU
>> Subject: act of show
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>> from the Palo Alto Daily News of 21 March 2009, "Palo Alto shooting
>> suspect still at large", by Diana Samuels, p. 3:
>> Police said Gil-Fernandez claimed affiliation with the Norteno street
>> gang, though that claim may have been mostly an act of show in Palo
>> Alto, where the Norteno gang doesn't have much of a presence.
>> .....
>> that's "an act of show" 'a show, display, pretense'. a few more
>> cites:
>> I remembered my fiancé’s first time to pay me a visit at home. I
>> was listening to Metallica. At that time, he thought I was just
>> playing it to impress him. Later as we knew each other better, he
>> realized that it was not an act of show but simply my choice of
>> music.
>> Gabby,Lynette,Bree,Susan and Eddie are all part of a clan that has
>> secrets lies and webs of drama they all live in such a perfect area
>> yet knowing all the perfection is just an act of show!!!
>> reviews.html&flag=1&pg_rev=4
>> Col. Gianfranco Cavallo of the Carabinieri paramilitary police said
>> the bomb appeared to be an "act of show" rather than an attack
>> planned
>> to make victims.
>> in-downtown-rome-672350.html
>> Actually it was our state governor, a female democrat (Ks) that
>> ordered them sent! I am sure that it was more of an act of show than
>> anything else.
>> for-mexico-border-violence
>> there are also hits for "act of show-off"
>> do you think if I show up with my guitar it won't be weired? won't
>> people think of it as an act of show off?
>> [Yahoo! Indonesia]
>> Again, McLeod depicts Ganda Singh as a shallow person of
>> pretentious nature whose ego was inflated by the mere receipt of a
>> book from McLeod and as an act of show-off, he carried it round under
>> his arm, with the title prominently displayed for all to see.
>> They dabble in esoteric themes like mysticism, sexual freedom,
>> death, the after-life and such things, as an act of show off.
>> unlike the "act of show" examples, these seem to be from various
>> asian
>> varieties of english.
>> arnold
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