some stuff on "jazz"

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Tue Nov 17 22:19:09 UTC 2009

George writes:

"... 18 of 19 published 1917-1919 had 'jazz', so it was _in_ 1917 that
the jazz fad and the word 'jazz' reached England."

Is that really the claim that you wish to make, on the basis of the
evidence presented? As opposed to claiming that "it was _by_ 1917 that
the jazz fad and the word 'jazz' had reached England"?

As for "a certain dunderhead quality to [Winston's] analysis in this
study that some may find _charming_," you are, no doubt, writing
facetiously. White music critics didn't - and don't - avoid
"all-originals" music scenes because they were / are dangerous, but
because of the racism endemic in the United States. At the time under
consideration, I doubt that it even would have crossed the mind of a
white, professional music critic anywhere in the U.S. to visit some
colored joint to dig on the music of the underclass, not to mention
that, in the bad old days, it would never have occurred to the average
colored boy to attack a white man in public. Or even in private, for
that matter.

It's also not likely that the white po-lice would ever have shown up
at a colored joint. And, if they had, they would have busted the whole
joint. "Everybody goes, when the wagon comes," as the song says. Who
would have been foolish enough to call them? What would he have used
to do the calling with? The pay phone in the colored joint? The phone
booth on the corner? His cellphone? In 19*37*, a telephone was still a
rarity in the black South.

Even today, when the possibility that a black man in the South might
attack a white man isn't something so ridiculous that such a thought
would occur only to a member of the KKK, white teenagers from suburbia
have no fear of driving into the heart of the  "inner city" to "cop
that narcotic." When I was a teen in Saint Louis, white kids routinely
drove into the 'hood to buy alcohol. Since black neighborhoods weren't
(aren't?) routinely policed, I myself started hanging out at the age
of fifteen in what were known in the local BE as "beer-taverns," for
some unknown reason, there being no other kind of tavern. It was
nothing unusual to see white kids 'chine up and run in for a couple of
quarts or six, despite the fact that not only was it illegal to serve
alcohol to anyone under 21, but it was also illegal for a drinking
establishment to sell take-outs of anything.

FWIW it's worth, I would have bought "disingenuous."


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM, George Thompson
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> Every now and again I look to see whether there has been any new research published on the early history of jazz that might draw on newspaper reports of the 1910s and thereby show what music of that style was called, and when, and where.
> Here is a progress report:
> Music Index, RILM (another index of music research) and America: History and Life don't seem to show any useful articles.  I checked in both for Art Hickman, in particular.
> Among books, there was Subversive Sounds: Race and the Birth of Jazz in New Orleans, by Charles Hersch but his project did not require him to do research in that sort of primary source.
> Vorgeschichte des Jazz : vom Aufbruch der Portugiesen zu Jelly Roll Morton, by Maximilian Hendler.  A disclaimer here: I don't read German, though nearly 40 years of handling and working with German books has left me with a "hum a few bars and I'll fake it" mastery of the tongue.
> Drawing on a 2-page summary of the book, written in a rather disorienting form of English, the table of contents and the index, I can say that the thesis of the book seems to be, that 15th & 16th century Portuguese colonists brought European music to Africa, elements of which were assimilated and in later centuries exported to the Caribbean and the U. S., becoming a part of the basis for jazz.  So his notion of the prehistory of jazz goes way back, and Jelly Roll Morton doesn't get his cue to enter until the last chapter.  Naturally the author has done no research in early 20th C New Orleans newspapers.
> On p. 266 he cites from the OED the appearance of the word "jazz" in a song-lyric mistakenly dated to 1909.  This has been discussed here, a few years ago; Gerald Cohen, if I recall, established that the correct date was about 10 years later -- too late to be of any interest.
> The Evolution of Jazz in Britain, 1880-1935, by Catherine Parsonage.  This concerns the influence of American popular music in England, starting with the music-halls.  There is a list of song titles from sheet music -- the author supposes that these songs are by English composers, because they don't appear in the Duke Univ. catalog of American sheet music.  28 of 29 titles published 1900-1917 had either "rag" or "ragtime" in the title; 18 of 19 published 1917-1919 had "jazz", so it was in 1917 that the jazz fad and the word "jazz"reached England.
> One of these books cited a MA thesis done at the Graduate College of the University of Oklahoma in 1966, by Donald E. Winston called "News Reporting of Jazz Music from 1890 to 1927.  I don't know whether this had been looked at in connection with the history of the word, so I got it through interlibrary loan.
> It's in 4 chapters: I: From Obscurity to 1927; II: The Lean Years, New Orleans, 1890-1917; III: Jazz Reporting by a Negro Newspaper: the Chicago Defender, 1918-1926; and IV: New York Times, 1920-1927.
> Evidently the author went through the New Orleans Picayune and the Item carefully, because they were more useful for his purpose than the States and the Times-Democrat.  He says he did not look at the French-language daily, the Bee (as he gives the title; presumably aka L'Abeille), published in NO then.  He says also that from 1890 to 1907 there were 3 publications intended to be consumers' guides to whore-houses.  It seems that he looked at these items also, because he says that they "failed to comment on early jazz", though he may be taking this from Herbert Asbury's book on low-life in NO, which he cites in a footnote.  He surmises, sapiently, that the rounders of NO did not choose their brothels for the sake of the music played there.
> There is a certain dunderhead quality to the analysis in this study that some may find charming.  He explains the scanty coverage of jazz music in the NO newspapers by observing that "Negro social events, at which much of the early jazz was played" were often marred by "some shooting or knifing" -- "music critics would avoid" such events, and "it is doubtful that police reporters were much interested in music".
> In any event -- this study doesn't undermine the notion that the word "jazz" wasn't used in NO until after the jazz fad began in Chicago and NY in 1917.  It also doesn't indicate that the word "dixieland" was applied to music until the Original Dixieland Jazz Band.
> George A. Thompson
> Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern Univ. Pr., 1998, but nothing much lately.
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