[dZ&gwar], [dZ&gjuwar], and [dZ&gwaIr]

[Herb Stahlke]

Tom,

In Kirshenbaum's ASCII IPA
(http://www.kirshenbaum.net/IPA/ascii-ipa.pdf), [&] is the vowel you
hear in "jag."  Schwa is [@].

Herb

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Phonetic spelling norms are so unacceptable as to be unteachable in USA gra=
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> ics even as a first grader.  The key is to make phonetic spelling simple an=
> d English based as does truespel phonetics.  This would lead to a revolutin=
> ary capability to explain English pronunciation to all learners as does the=
>  free converter at truespel.com.
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> For the word "jaguar" the notations  [dZ&gwar]=2C [dZ&gjuwar]=2C and [dZ&gw=
> aIr] are intelligible.  The ampersand as a schwa is actually incorrect here=
>  as I hear the words spoken (see below).  Clearly the vowel is short a=2C a=
> s in "jag"=2C not a schwa as in "jug" (Usually schwa stands for the "uh" so=
> und ~u).
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> I click on the speakers in thefreedictionary.com and hear:
> USA  ~jagwaar  (JAG-wahr) - clicking the speaker icon
> UK   ~jagyue'u  (JAG-you-uh) - clicking the flag icon
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> Note=2C if it's UK=2C the ending "r" is dropped.  UK phonetics usually don'=
> t reflect that.
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> Tom Zurinskas=2C USA - CT20=2C TN3=2C NJ33=2C FL7+=20
> see truespel.com phonetic spelling
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>> Date: Sun=2C 26 Dec 2010 23:57:51 -0500
>> From: douglas at NB.NET
>> Subject: Re: [dZ&gwar]=2C [dZ&gjuwar]=2C and [dZ&gwaIr]
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>> Subject: Re: [dZ&gwar]=2C [dZ&gjuwar]=2C and [dZ&gwaIr]
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>> Addendum: There was a substantial thread ("jagwire") on this subject in
>> 2008 on this list=2C some of which I had forgotten ('scuse me).
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>> -- Doug Wilson
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