"Gossip and the news are the same, anymore."

Herb Stahlke hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
Thu Nov 18 19:10:20 UTC 2010

I've heard this too and wondered if it's by analogy to the
retroflexion or palatalization of /s/ before /(C)r/ as in [s,t,r,IN].
A doc student at Ohio State, David  Durian, I think, has written on
this and showed instrumentally that some speakers retroflex here and
others palatalize.  I'm a retroflexer, but I've heard both.


On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Subject:      "Gossip and the news are the same, anymore."
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> Years ago - 20-plus? - Labov - or someone else - wrote in the NYT - or
> somewhere else - that /s/, when followed by an obstruent, was changing
> into [S]. FWIW, I hear this shift all the time among the self-selected
> polloi who appear on "Maury," "Springer," et al. E.g. fans of
> "American Pie" recall with fondness the character, Stifler's Mom,
> which they pronounce as "_Schtifler's_ Mom."
> [Strange! My spellchecker accepts _Stifler_, but not _Schtifler_. IME,
> both names are equally improbable. Is it the case that _Stifler_ is
> quite common and I, by chance, am unaware of that? Or was the movie so
> popular that programmers now code "Stifler" into their spellcheckers?]
> BTW, there's no connection between the subject line, which I merely
> happened to hear some random speaker say, and this post.
> --
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