"a warning singsong"

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Wed Mar 16 16:43:47 UTC 2011


Yeah, what is it about affected singsonginess that makes it so despicably
expressive?

I bet it doesn't happen in Chinese.

Or...does it?

JL
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>wrote:

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> At 11:30 AM -0400 3/16/11, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >It suddenly occurs to me that the suprasegmental in question was
> popularized
> >in the phrase,
> >
> >"You'll be SORRReeeee!"
>
> Then there's the teasing suprasegmental melody for "Sandy's got a
> boyfriend/girlfriend".  Not a warning, but perhaps (depending on
> Sandy's temperament) crusin' for a bruisin'.
>
> LH
>
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> >
> >which was in wide use in teh early '40s. (Though I can't find a prescise
> >characterization of it quickly, it is usally styled something like the
> >above. Whenever I've heard it, it's the typical "warning singsong.")
> >
> >I believe the phrase got started on a radio show. Did Red Skelton have
> >something to do with it?
> >
> >At any rate, the questions remain. Is the suprasegmental a 1940s
> innovation,
> >or (as I think) did "You'll be sorreeee!" simply exploit an
> >established feature?
> >
> >JL
> >On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Jonathan Lighter
> ><wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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> >>  I don't think so. I don't recall that as being nearly as rhythmical and
> >>  up-and-down as what I'm thinking of.
> >>
> >>  But even so, it would still have been in the early '50s.
> >>
> >>  Has anybody heard the "warning singsong suprasegmental" from speakers
> born
> >>  before, say, the 1920s?
> >>
> >>  I get the feeling that it was invented by pioneering rug-rats and
> carried
> >>  over into "grownup" life.
> >>
> >>  JL
> >>   On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> >>  wrote:
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> >>  > Was Desi Arnaz's "Lucy! You have some esplainin' to do!" a singsong?
> >>  >
> >>  > DanG
> >>  >
> >>  > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Jonathan Lighter
> >>  > <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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> >>  > > Subject:      "a warning singsong"
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> >>  > >
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> >>  > >
> >>  > > I mean that universally recognized singsong suprasegmental that
> people
> >>  > use
> >>  > > to suggest that you'd better stop what you're doing instantly. It
> can
> >>  > also
> >>  > > be used with "I told you so!" for extra obnoxiousness.  That would
> be a
> >>  > > "triumphant singsong"; GB gives a 1906 hit - out of only nine exx.
> -
> >>  but
> >>  > > that one seems insufficiently sarcastic  (if that's the right
> word.)
> >>  > >
> >>  > > A "warning singsong (tone)" is about the best way I can describe
> the
> >>  > > principal phenomenon.  GB's earliest relevant hit (and there are
> very
> >>  > few)
> >>  > > is from 1951, pretty recently from Hengest's standpoint.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > My mother used to use it on occasion, but I can't recall if she
> started
> >>  > in
> >>  > > my earliest childhood or later.  My feeling is that it was later,
> when
> >>  > > everybody was using it, including me. But I can't picture my
> >>  grandparents
> >>  > > using it.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Questions:
> >>  > >
> >>  > > 1. Is this feature common in other languages?
> >>  > >
> >>  > > 2. What's the earliest evidence for its existence in English?  Did
> >>  young
> >>  > > Will Shakespeare employ it?  (For that matter, did he go, "Nyah
> nyah
> >>  nyah
> >>  > > nyaah nyah"? I fear that history is mute on that question.)
> >>  > >
> >>  > > JL
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