slodder

[Tom Zurinskas]

I recently heard a broadcaster say; "It was a slodder." This is eye dialect, foespeld ~slaader in truespel. Rhymes with fodder. Stands for tradword "slaughter", rhyming with daughter. So if in new Amglish you hear "his dodder sah the slodder" it means "his daughter saw the slaughter.

This derelict dialect (abandoning letter-sound relationships) is courtesy of the awe-dropping fad which now is making it's way into talking dictionaries as proper pronunciation.  In m-w.com hear"awe" said as "ah".  Hear"awesome"  said as AH-some.  The phonetics indicates "awe".  The speaker says "ah".  This should be corrected one way or the other.

If the fad continues, the sound "awe' will dissappear from the Amglish foenubet (set of sounds).

Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, then Tenn 3, NJ 33, now FL 9.
The FREE English-based phonetic converters, URL and text , are at truespel.com










> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:34:35 -0400
> From: adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: "Heaven for the climate, hell for the company"
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> Poster: Garson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: "Heaven for the climate, hell for the company"
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> Joel S. Berson posted on the topic "Heaven for the climate, hell for
> the company". Here are some relevant cites:
>
> Cite: 1885, Proceedings of the National Conference of Charities and
> Correction, Twelfth Annual Session Held in Washington, D.C., June
> 4-10, 1885, Judge MacArthur speaking on June 10, 1885, Page 500,
> National Conference of Charities and Correction.
>
> Judge MacArthur speaking on June 10, 1885 (I think):
>
> The effect of that paper reminded me of an anecdote relating to Ben
> Wade, who was once asked his opinion on heaven and hell. Well," said
> Mr. Wade, "I think, from all I can learn, that heaven has the better
> climate, but hell has the better company."
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=AEw0AAAAMAAJ&q=%22hell+has%22#v=snippet&
>
>
> Emery A. Storrs is another candidate for credit. Here is a cite in 1886.
>
> Cite: 1886, Life of Emery A. Storrs: His Wit and Eloquence by Isaac E.
> Adams, Page 795, Hubbard Brothers, Philadelphia, [G.L. Howe, Chicago].
>
> A young man once approached him with, "Mr. Storrs, pardon me, but you
> are a man who has thought much upon all topics. I wish to ask you for
> your opinion of Heaven and Hell." Fixing his keen eyes on the
> enquirer, Mr. Storrs answered "When I think of the beauteous
> descriptions of the abode of the saints, and when I recollect that
> many noble witty, genial souls have died 'unregenerate,' I must answer
> you, sir, that, while, doubtless, Heaven has the best climate, Hell
> has the best society."
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=BgI9AAAAIAAJ&q=%22Heaven+has%22#v=snippet&
>
>
> Some quotation references credit J. M. Barrie of Peter Pan fame, and
> it looks like he did use it in 1891.
>
> Cite: 1891, Good Words edited by Donald Macleod, The Little Minister
> by J. M. Barrie, Page 60, Isbister and Company, London. (HathiTrust)
>
> "Maybe you've ower keen an interest in the devil, Tammas," retorted
> the atheist, "but, ony way, if it's heaven for climate, it's hell for
> company."
>
> http://hdl.handle.net/2027/njp.32101076425279
>
> In the previous message I mentioned 1884 as the date for a citation,
> but that date was based on a quick scan of information that proved to
> be inaccurate from GB.
>
> Garson
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> > Poster: "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
> > Subject: "Heaven for the climate, hell for the company"
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> >
> > Having seen this recently via Alex Beam (Boston Globe), having liked
> > the notion of the "company" ever since Shaw's "Don Juan in Hell", I
> > decided to see who has said this. In the first 30 Ghits, I find
> > Dante, Machievelli, William Blake, Ambrose Bierce, Mark Twain, and
> > Mom credited.
> >
> > Both Beam and the ever-reliable YBQ say Twain, the latter finding it
> > in Notebook, 1889--1890 and the former quoting it accurately.
> >
> > But I do not find quite this characterization in Don Juan's
> > disquisition in response to Ana's "But if Hell be so beautiful as
> > this, how glorious must heaven be!" (The Devil relinquishes his
> > defence of the Lower Place to Juan's eloquence.)
> >
> > Joel
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