We believe what? Transubstantiatioin?

Ben Zimmer bgzimmer at BABEL.LING.UPENN.EDU
Tue Nov 29 14:45:01 UTC 2011

I wrote about the new liturgy back in April on Word Routes (including
a bit on "consubstantial"):


See also Mark Liberman on Language Log:



On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Gordon, Matthew J.
<GordonMJ at missouri.edu> wrote:
> Indeed, I don't think 'transubstantiation' is in the revised translation of the creed, but 'consubstantial' is.
> Here's the USCCB's explanation on this change:
> http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/roman-missal/frequently-asked-questions/consubstantial-with-the-father.cfm
> -Matt Gordon
> ________________________________________
> From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] on behalf of Bethany Dumas [bethany.dumas at GMAIL.COM]
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:16 PM
> Subject: Re: We believe what? Transubstantiatioin?
> Ha! I brought one home when I visited Immaculate Conception last Friday (I
> was a visitor, for I am "Roman Catholic Lite.") I asked permission to
> borrow one - of the (Paulist) priest - and was told it had to stay in the
> church. I then promised to return it, which I shall do as soon as the heavy
> rain lets up. He allowed me to borrow it.
> The most challenging word in the "Pew Card" was "consubstantial." I did not
> see the word "transubstantiation"
> Bethany
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The new catholic mass is getting complicated.  All must say that they
> > believe in "transubstantiation" which is a new term in the mass taking the
> > place of some silly old plain words that made things simple.  It's more
> > Latin-like, which is the objective.  You better believe it.
> >
> > We were given a cheat sheet of responses in church of 4 pages but were not
> > allowed to take them home.  I wonder if they had a copier in the back room
> > we could use?

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