"Galley" missing from the OED?

Joel S. Berson Berson at ATT.NET
Thu Oct 27 00:15:37 UTC 2011

At 10/26/2011 07:24 PM, Dave Wilton wrote:
>It doesn't appear that the OED entry for "galleon" has been updated since
>the first edition.

And was the 18th century, where I see "galley", overlooked in the
19th century?

>And I would think the "galley" mentioned in the definition of "galleon" is
>the oar-driven craft. To accommodate the oars, galleys are necessarily lower
>and longer than sailing ships.

Perhaps, although some (all?) galleons were (partly) oar-driven.  But
even so, I doubt that the "galley" of my ocean-crossing vessel, and
many others named in the 18th century customs house reports, were the
OED's galley -- they were American- (and some British-) built,
American and British operated, and unlikely to have rows of oarers to
propel them, unlike the Spanish galleons manned by prisoners (at
least in the movies).

Wikipedia on "galleon" makes me think the 18th-century "galley" I've
seen might have been a galleon:  "A galleon was a large, multi-decked
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_ship>sailing ship used
primarily by <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe>European states
from the 16th to 18th centuries. Whether used for war or commerce,
they were generally armed with the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demi-culverin>demi-culverin type of
cannon."  But as I wrote before, "galley" does not appear, either as
an alternate spelling or in a quotation, s.v. "galleon".


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>Joel S. Berson
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>Subject: Re: "Galley" missing from the OED?
>I admit to not having checked re "galleon" previously.  But the OED
>does not include "galley" as an alternate Form for "galleon", and
>there are no quotations there using the spelling "galley".  And its
>first definition is provocative: "a. A kind of vessel, *shorter but
>higher than the galley* ...".  So does the OED thinks there is some
>kind of ship called a "galley"?  And by its comparison with "galleon"
>I would think that kind of galley is not oar-propelled as in the
>OED's current definitions of "galley".
>P.S.  When I do a Find with my browser in the entry for "galleon", I
>get 10 hits for which no word is highlighted on the page (plus one
>for the term in the above definition and one for the word in the
>"Jump to:" list).  Is there some hidden data that Find is finding,
>but I can't see?
>At 10/26/2011 10:22 AM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:
> >Could you be confusing galleon and galley?
> >DanG
> >
> >
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> >On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> > > I have seen 18th century ocean-going ships called "galleys", in
> > > customs house reports, for example.  But I do not see any sense in
> > > the OED other than for vessels propelled by oars.  Am I missing
> > > something, or is the OED?
> > >
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